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Old 24th February 2008, 20:36
zinnia zinnia is offline
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I'm jgoing to read that book next.

I think the flaw in Hoagland's thinking is that he and his co-atuhor, Mike Bara, become so focused on making others see what they see.

That is like paying more attention to what my listener is hearing instead of what I am saying, you know?

So as a reader, I feel that I must get past the pressure to agree with them, and just look open-mindedly at what they are presenting.

I am not a scientist, I am an artist. I am really impressed by the common ground I see in the tetrahedral images Hoagland describes and some inner-consciousness experiences that no Western scientist would admit studying, if one did.

I did some experimentation with dream art some years ago that involved completely emptying my mind of any kind of "story-telling" effort upon awaking from the dream state, and I just simply scratched out a few color-gestures of what remained in my mind, and then placed it aside. I did this almost daily for a few weeks, and in that time-period I found my dream state tremendously enhanced. To this day I have extremely realistic, multi-sensual dreams that are far more "solid" than anything I experienced before doing that.

Alongside this personal experience, which I admit I stopped doing because its intensity frightened me, I would also place some "metaphysical" reading: the books of Carlos Casteneda, who describes the world of the Yaqui sorcerer "Don Juan". Don Juan introduced Castaneda to the "lines of the world" which he said can only be seen by a person who has experienced two completely different cultures, and so is able to see "between" human cultures, which according to the sorcerer are each a overwhelming myth-reality that our parents have placed over our perceptions, being limited to the one culture in which we have been raised.

A third non-scientific realm: the "ley lines" and Chinese tradition of "chi" that permeate much "New Age" philosophy.

All of these avenues of exploration, including Hoagland's views of the images from Mars, have the common thread of human beings attempting desperately to perceive something beyond that which our "normal" senses can see, and attempting desperately to understand and explain what we see.

I which that I could have a giant, coffee-table size book of the most detailed and uneditted forms of the images of Mars and of the strange atmospheric light on the moon so that I could just meditate on the images.
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