Muslims

[euge_s]

Originally posted by mrmihailovich
Personally I think we should exterminate the Muslims.They infect our countries and kill innocent people.The Soviets had the right idea when they was getting rid of them, but then America stuck its nose up in Russias business.

Signed,
Matthew.R.Mihailovich

I am not sure Soviets were getting rid off them, where did you hear that? They procreated like hell under old Soviet Union. I understand but I don't share your sentiment. I find it strange that Muslims migrate to Christian nations and then demand special rights for themselves, and then blow up things like they did in Paris or New York (and none sees European Christians migrating to Muslim countries. It is pretty much oneway traffic). Americans are now watching Muslims very carefully and don’t give tourists visas to the scummiest ones. Exterminating Muslims is not the right solution, because there are many Muslim countries where natives get upset whenever their brethren are being killed off in any large quantities. Besides, killing Muslims is bad. These Muslim countries could be important trade partners. In Russian case the only solution to the problem as I see it should be avoidance of any bloodshet by separation of all Muslim “republics,” some forcibly made independent others transformed into Bantustans, then followed by organized repatriation of those already in the country back to their beloved homelands.

[euge_s]

Originally posted by noel2911

I think it shows ignorance when a person talks of complete destruction of any other society. I'm not muslim, I don't believe in what Muslims are doing but one must always keep in mind that every muslim is not responsible for the actions of one such as Osama Bin LAden or any of the other no name "jihad" fighters. Personally I have a very broad understanding of Islam and have studied it for a couple of years and accordingly jihad is not what today's muslim war had made it into. This is coming from the muslim who wrote the Idiot's Guide to Islam.

It's so unjust to say that we would want the distruction of an entire culture. Imagine a muslim thinks just as worse of the Christian world. This is coming from groups of people on both sides who don't understand each other.

I'm not going to insult the thred starter but mrmihailovich could you please tell me what the Christian Bible tells us about hate and murder and even the contemplation thereof. as I recall it says to love everyone, not just other Christians, but even your enemies. So before we begin condemming other religions (Muslim is not a race by the way) try to understand your own. I mean honestly we all deserve to be killed mercilessly but Christians believe otherwise and everyone, Muslim or no, has the opportunity to be saved. It is impossible for a Christian to be a hardcore rascist "at times" that's called lukewarm and Christians are either hot (truly saved) or cold (completely lost) so which are you?

It is so, and Islam may as well be a religion of enlightenment and peace, but the problem is not with Islam per se, here is the conflict between relatively modern societies and clannish, sometimes culturally primitive tribes, who worship violence and murder, and use Islam as justification for their violence against others. I think it is best to leave these societies as they are, and repatriate their members and offspring back into their native milieu. Reforming them is pointless. They have to be isolated least they attack others (like did in New York and Washington), and they should be left to enjoy their freedom, the way they see it with blood feuds or public executions by stoning, but on one condition: they should be left to enjoy their "freedom" in isolation and solitude.


[Edited by euge_s on 15th July 2003 at 09:03]

[noel2911]

The deal is not to isolate muslims or to do anything to muslims as a whole. It is the truth that most terrorists are muslims but it is not the truth that most muslims are terrorists. Yes most of them hold strong negative feelings towards the US and Americans and non-muslims in general but the other side of the truth is that it doesn't matter if the people responsible for Sept.11 in the US are muslim or not, they still ran planes into the world trade centers. they still committed a crime against humanity. Once a muslim, or a christian, or a buddhist, or any other commits such a crime they shouldn't any longer be identified as a muslim, christian, buddhist, or any other thing except as a terrorist. Now I'm not saying Islam is the right religion nor can I say it is wrong for anyone else although it is for me, but a Christian response to any other religion shouldn't be I'm right and you're wrong but it should be I believe in what I know is right but I understand that other people don't believe the same thing. I only try to understand the world through the eyes of someone else to better understand them to therefore better understand what I believe in.

[euge_s]

Originally posted by noel2911
The deal is not to isolate muslims or to do anything to muslims as a whole. It is the truth that most terrorists are muslims but it is not the truth that most muslims are terrorists. Yes most of them hold strong negative feelings towards the US and Americans and non-muslims in general but the other side of the truth is that it doesn't matter if the people responsible for Sept.11 in the US are muslim or not, they still ran planes into the world trade centers. they still committed a crime against humanity. Once a muslim, or a christian, or a buddhist, or any other commits such a crime they shouldn't any longer be identified as a muslim, christian, buddhist, or any other thing except as a terrorist. Now I'm not saying Islam is the right religion nor can I say it is wrong for anyone else although it is for me, but a Christian response to any other religion shouldn't be I'm right and you're wrong but it should be I believe in what I know is right but I understand that other people don't believe the same thing. I only try to understand the world through the eyes of someone else to better understand them to therefore better understand what I believe in.

Obviously American government is trying to isolate Muslims of foreign origin or at least to monitor them carefully in the United States.

Islam may be a peaceful religion or whatever but there is pattern of violence characteristic of Islamic world. Bosnia, Kashmir, Chechnya, Sudan, Middle East, Cyprus, well all over the place, whenever Muslims are contact with people of other beliefs, not just Christians, violence occurs. Also, Muslim terrorists had attacked not just United States, which may be all that evil and bad and is an international aggressor to boot, but they have attacked nationals of countries who have absolutely nothing to do with their eternal grudge against world. They murdered German and Austrian tourists in Egypt, blown-up Australians and Western Europeans in Indonesia (that’s a good example of Muslim hospitality. People are invited “as guests” and then slaughtered), bombed Paris Metro and so and on. The catalogue of their crimes is immense. May be this is the work of fringe elements, but they do characterize the religion to a certain degree. Although IRA and Basque ETA, both terrorist movements, killed civilians by accident, never had the IRA or ETA targeted maximum numbers of innocent people just for the sake of making a statement. In the case of Chechnya, it is quite obvious that had Chechens and their thuggish warlords pursued a policy of non-confrontation and of peaceful divorce from Russia, by organizing independence referendum and doing other things which would to normal people seem sensible and proper, they would have seceded long time ago. Instead they chose murder, armed “resistance” in peacetime, terror, and ethnic cleansing. The purpose of the butchery was not secession, these people thrive on violence and hate the world simply because it is not to their liking (the attack on World Trade Center in NY or bombs blown up in Paris had no particular purpose). Extermination of Muslims is a loony idea. But if you DON’T have any Muslims in your country, then you don’t have to face the threat of Muslim terrorism at home. Hence in Russia’s situation, aggravated by its demographic problems, the solution to terrorism is either not to have too many Muslims on its territory or at the very least to get rid off the most disgusting species. Russian government’s desire to hold on to Chechnya and to keep it as a part of Russian Federation is a folly and is totally inexcusable. You grant them full autonomy, repatriate them from your cities and towns to their newly free homeland, and if armed provocations or border raids continue to be a problem, then you simply pound the place into the oblivion without having to worry about so-called “refugees” or what is the most nutritious way of feeding families of terrorists. Let Allah sort them out. If they reform themselves, and there is peace and quiet, then that would be perfect.

[Rain]

A referendum during wartime without consideration of previously democratically elected government is absurd. Only a Russian can think of that. Still a long way to go for Russia to embrace democracy.

R

[Rain]

"Muslim" extremism lies partly in political disasters that Middle East experienced during the last 50 years ( various democratic leaders toppled by British and the US that militarized religious movements and gave birth to organizations like Hizbollah ), and religious corruption which spread in the Saudi Arabia in the late 19th century.

15 of 19 hijackers on 9.11 were Saudis, so was Osama B.L., however no sufficient action has been taken against either the religious establishments there preaching intolerant version of Islam, nor the corrupt government that sponsors various terrorist groups. They even slipped into Chechnya and Bosnia at certain points. The world for some reason is hunting for terrorists in sandy Afghanistan, and secular Iraq.


R

[Rain]

Also, a threat much more dangerous to the world than terrorism is the ex-KGB movement in Russia which is successfully picking up speed. Unlike the Nazis threat, the KGB were not properly eliminated from the political arena after SU's collapse. China's growth and possible future alliance with newborn communist Russia might signal the continuation of the cold war.

R