General Sharon, the new leader of Israel!!!!!

[old-reb]

Hello Dunga,

<<What right do you give Israel to keep 3.5 Million Palestinians from returning home?>>

I don’t give them any rights. I am only one of 260 million USA citizens. I think that 3.5 million Palestinians would cause a lot of mischief .
It would be better if you tried to accept the political realities of today and work within that frame work to make life better for all.
But your mind is clouded with hate and you are ready for war and you want the world to join you in your endeavor. I favor neither the Jews or the Palestinians but I am against senseless murder and destruction as you want.
You can educate me about your situation but I will not join an emotional suicidal action by radical people who care nothing for the people they are attacking.
Do you want to improve the life of Palestinians or do you just want war?
Gene

[Dunga]

Gene, your answer is a perfect example how religion can detach people from reality. I guess your religion teaches you that the GENOCIDE of the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE is OK, because the JEWS are the chosen ones.

I do not want war. I am not an ARAB. I am just a human being
who wants to correct a wrong and let the chips fall where they may.

You speak of mischief. Let me tell you where the MISCHIEF got started:

The United Nations Charter on the creation of the State of Israel is very clear. The Palestinians and Jews have equal citizenship. The property rights of the Palestinians are clearly stated. The mischief started when the state of Israel started to direst state terrorism against the Arabs.
Confiscation of homes and land is where the mischief started. The state of Israel condoned the terroristic acts of the Jewish Settlers against the Arabs. This is where
the Mischief started.

The PLO should go out of existance. Their last act should be
the transportation of all the Arabs back to their home and their land. Let Israel deal with it. The world will get the
REAL picture when they see all the Arab children and old Folks being kept from returning home by the Israeli soldiers. It's time that the world see who the MISCHIEF makers are.

Shame on you Mr. Christian.

[old-reb]

Hello Dunga,
I am always intrested in opinions that are alein to my own thought process.
You say that you are not an Arab. Could you tell me more about yourself and how you came to have such feelings.
My own opinions of the situation comes from living in USA and hearing our news media. My own father taught me to dislike Jews, Catholics and Yankees. But these very people were his very best friends; mixed signals.
Gene

[Dunga]

Gene, I appreciate your response. I will give you a detailed answer tomorrow. Thank's

[Dunga]

OK Gene, here we go.

I am going to make this detailed, so you can see that I try to be fair. I do not think that any of this will register for you because you are controlled by your religious beliefs.

Let us start with the holocust. I know that it happened. My parents lost several Jewish friends. I remember going to visit them in a Brick Factory that was turned into a concentration camp. One day they were all gone. Not one of them came back after the war. My heart goes out to all the families that lost loved ones.

Now to Palestine. That was not a pretty picture even when it was a British Protectorate. There was practically a civil war between the Brits and the Jews. The Jews would call these people Freedom Fighters, I am sure. The Brits
called them terrorist. You need to read up on this. Monachem Begin, who later became the Prime Minister of Israel, was a WANTED man in England until the day he died.
Read about the STERN GANG. Pretty tuff cookkies. Soon the the Brits had enough of the violance. They collaborated with the USA and poof, the state of Israel was chartered
by the UNITED NATIONS. The charter was very clear. The Jews and Arabs were equal partners in a new state called Israel.

For the life of me, I can not figure how this was going to happen. The Brits with all of their weapons could not control the Jews. How were the Arabs going to do it? From the day that Isarel was chartered, the Arabs have been subjected to State Terrorism by direct action from the Government and by the Settlers who had freedom to pillage, and kill. I read in todays paper that 22 more Arab homes will be leveled to make room for additional Jewish Housing.
With their properties being confiscated, their lives being
threatened, the Arabs started to leave Israel in masses. Not because they wanted to become Labanese or Syrian, but because life for them in Israel was HELL. Hoping one day to return to their homes and their land.

Along came the PLO. Palestine Liberation Organization. The other Arab countries flamed the fire of hatred towards Israel, and the PLO became the front for this hatred. They also maintained the Refugee Camps where the Palestinians were living. From hatred, terrorism is born and the Palestinians with the help of other countries had their share of terrorist activities. In my oppinion, none of this would have happened, if they could have stayed on their land and in their homes. Israel did not live up to the charter that created ISRAEL.

Now, after all the name calling and terrorism, and several wars, we still have 3.5 Million Arabs waiting to go home. The PLO is no longer a valid organization. Palestine is not going to be LIBERATED. Israel is here to stay. The only solution is to let these people go home. Let them live as equal citizens in Israel. The HOLOCUST is no justification for the GENOCIDE against the Palestinian People by Israel.
All the decent people in the world should demand that Isarel
stop being a ROUGE nation and start being a country of law
and fairness.

I hope that you see my point, but I doubt it.



[Edited by Dunga on 12th February 2001 at 21:41]

[old-reb]

Hello again Dunga,
I see your point. You seem to have a clear picture of modern day Israel history. It is the same history I recall but yours has a slant against Israel which is probably true.
To carry that history a little further. Barak seemed to sincerely care about the Palestinians. I recall that they set up areas where the Palestinians shared joint police forces with the Jews but I recall that the Palestinian police turned on their fellow jew officers and shot them. I recall that the Palestinian police became a part of the infada against Israel.
My point is that whenever Barak gave the Palestinians any power or freedom this power was almost immediately used against Israel. Barak was sharing the power and moving toward a better life for both sides.
This would work but the Palestinians saw Barak’s fairness as a weakness and pounced on him like a tiger. The Israelis and the world now sees that the PLO in not interested in what they can get through peace. The don’t want a piece of the cake they want the whole cake.
That is the way I see it. Also, I would also like to hear some other views, maybe from a Russian. I feel that Nonson or Ungaro would agree with you fully.
Gene

[Dunga]

Gene, you are brainwashed. Barak gave NOTHING. He tried his best to talk the Palestinians into some halfass deal. NO WAY was he going to let the 3.5 MILLION people go home. HE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR. This is where the problems is. They want those people to go somewhere else. NOT TO THEIR HOMES AND TO THEIR LAND. To agree to any deal that takes away the right for these people to go home would not work. All the LACKY friends of ISRAEL must understand this. They are going to have to KILL all 3.5 Million of these people. As long as any of them are alive THEY WANT TO GO HOME. You probably would rather have them killed. Don't screw around with the Jews. They are the CHOSEN ones. Is that how you see it, Gene?