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Old 8th October 2006, 03:31
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Perhaps the most fair and reasonable way to assign responsibility would be to say that Soviet Communists were the ones who did it. They were the ones in control, they made the decision to do it, and they were the ones who made sure it was done they way they wanted it done.
Russians were Soviet Communists. Russians were in control. Russians did it.
Stalin's power depended on his Russian cohorts who supported him.
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Old 8th October 2006, 03:56
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Focusing on various nationalities and ethnic groups and taking revenge against people who didn't do anything wrong is the way of terrorists and not of civilized people.
Russia is the uncivilized country where Russian skinhead terrorists send out search party to roam the streets targeting, beating, and killing people of color from various ethnic groups with the silent approval of the Russian people. Now, Stalin the Georgian has nothing to do with the violent racism in Russia today.
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Old 8th October 2006, 04:11
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But just because some people belonging to a certain nationality did something wrong doesn't mean that all people of that nationality are somehow responsible. People are individually responsible for what they have done. And blaming everybody regardless of whether they've done anything wrong or not is irrational and grossly unfair.

The only way you can avoid irrational ethnic hatred is to blame only those people who actually did something wrong and abstain from blaming anybody else.

Focusing on various nationalities and ethnic groups and taking revenge against people who didn't do anything wrong is the way of terrorists and not of civilized people.
Then why is Russia punishing innocent ethnic Georgians in Russia for something the Georgian president did to 4 Russian spies in Georgia?
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Old 8th October 2006, 20:50
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Then why is Russia punishing innocent ethnic Georgians in Russia for something the Georgian president did to 4 Russian spies in Georgia?
Perhaps you are getting off the topic here. This thread is about relations between Russia and the West.

As for deporting illegal immigrants who don't have proper documents, every country regularly does this including those in the West.

When there are tensions between two counties that can lead to war, then there is nothing unusual about restricting travel between these two countries and applying the immigration law more vigorously to citizens of the hostile country.

There are examples of this in the West too. The US has been restricting travel between Cuba and US for decades. And loyal citizens of Cuba are not allowed to stay or travel in US much. Only when Cubans in effect declare that they want to leave Cuba permanently and settle in USA, then they are allowed to stay.
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Old 8th October 2006, 21:35
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I should remind you that you are the one that call out the high moral ground, as I quote you:
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But just because some people belonging to a certain nationality did something wrong doesn't mean that all people of that nationality are somehow responsible. People are individually responsible for what they have done. And blaming everybody regardless of whether they've done anything wrong or not is irrational and grossly unfair.

The only way you can avoid irrational ethnic hatred is to blame only those people who actually did something wrong and abstain from blaming anybody else.

Focusing on various nationalities and ethnic groups and taking revenge against people who didn't do anything wrong is the way of terrorists and not of civilized people.
A hypocrite aren't you now to defend Russia's action of punishing innocent ethnic Georgians in Russia who have nothing to do with the events that happened in Georgia.
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Old 8th October 2006, 21:41
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There are examples of this in the West too. The US has been restricting travel between Cuba and US for decades. And loyal citizens of Cuba are not allowed to stay or travel in US much. Only when Cubans in effect declare that they want to leave Cuba permanently and settle in USA, then they are allowed to stay.
Russia closed ethnic Georgian restaurants and clubs in Russia to retaliate against Georgia , and the US does not do that to the Cuban restaurants and clubs in the US.
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Old 11th February 2007, 02:06
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Putin accuses the U.S. of Undermining Global Stability

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia accused the United States on Saturday of provoking a new nuclear arms race by developing ballistic missile defenses, undermining international institutions and making the Middle East more unstable through its clumsy handling of the Iraq war.

In an address to an international security conference, Mr. Putin dropped all diplomatic gloss to recite a long list of complaints about American domination of global affairs, including many of the themes that have strained relations between the Kremlin and the United States during his seven-year administration.

Among them were the expansion of NATO into the Baltics and the perception in Russia that the West has supported groups that have toppled other governments in Moscow’s former sphere of influence.

“The process of NATO expansion has nothing to do with modernization of the alliance,” Mr. Putin said. “We have the right to ask, ‘Against whom is this expansion directed?’ ”

He said the United States had turned the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which sends monitors to elections in the former Soviet sphere, “into a vulgar instrument of ensuring the foreign policy interests of one country.”

“Primarily the United States has overstepped its national borders, and in every area,” said Mr. Putin,“It has nothing in common with democracy, of course, he added. ”Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations — military force.”

With the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, the American defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, and American Congressional delegation sitting stone-faced, Mr. Putin warned that the power amassed by any nation that assumes this ultimate global role “destroys it from within.

American military actions, which Putin termed “unilateral” and “illegitimate,” also “have not been able to resolve any matters at all,” and, he said, have created only more instability and danger.

“They [United States] bring us to the abyss of one conflict after another,” Putin said. “Political solutions are becoming impossible.”

Mr. Putin joked that he worried the United States was “hiding extra warheads under the pillow” despite its treaties with Moscow to reduce strategic nuclear stockpiles. And he indicated obliquely that the new Russian ballistic missile, known as the Topol-M, was being developed at least in part in response to American efforts to field missile defenses.

He expressed alarm that an effective antimissile shield over the United States would upset a system of mutual fear that kept the nuclear peace throughout the cold war. “That means the balance will be upset, completely upset,” he said.
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