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Old 19th June 2000, 05:19
d_seven d_seven is offline
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Thanks for responding to my post, everbody.

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Old 19th June 2000, 19:32
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Straighterway, being an anarchist at heart, I would never advise one to 'shut-up' when there are events occurring which those of 'fair mindness' view as unacceptable mutations and transformations of that which is socially viable.

If one possesses a thing of possibly great value(Gusinky & M-M)one does not waste it on foolish trifles. Putin is near the peak of his popularity, and too attack him when he is at his strongest seems foolhardy. I understand that there are those who disagree with this stance, but I prefer the more subtle forms of THE ART OF WAR.

I'm not a big fan of letting my enemies know in advance of my heart-felt intentions toward it. The less they know of me and my resources the better it is for me. Telling a cunning serpent that you intend to chop off its head is inviting a first deadly strike.

What is happening in Russia is not about democracy, nor is it designed to bring about a democratic state. The possibly bloody battles to come will not be to institute a democratic regime in Russia: the signs are all wrong. In light of this, I believe that the freedom fighters ought to lie low for now: not attempting to exercise the rights they should have to closely question the actions of those in power. An all-out conflict at this time serves no definite or far-reaching purpose. Being a 'true revolutionary' is one thing, and being a 'rabble-rouser' another. One brings death to tyranny and gives birth to hope, while the other only creates disorder. Right now, PATIENCE is a VIRTUE.

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Old 19th June 2000, 23:13
Straighterway Straighterway is offline
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Dear Nonson,

i see ur point and ur way of thinking. it looks logical 2 me. yet i'm probably as stubborn as u r.

--the freedom fighters ought to lie low for now--while putin is --near the peak of his popularity--thus letting him reach that peak, giving him time to gain more power and control and bend the issues that now appear arguable to his side 4 good.

now he's trying out, testing his environment and observing the reaction. later, if u let him become stable and secure, he will just follow his policies and not care about the reaction.

and after a time, the people r gonna be less sensitive and alert to his behavior then now, when it's all only beginning.

the cold is cured when it's treated early. not that i expect it to be really cured.

the fight that is now going on is not 2 make things better, it's to prevent things from getting much worth. that's the way the battle has been in Russia for the last few years.

i'm upset about the whole thing. dear Nonson, do u blame me for not giving up on Russia and its likeness of democracy? love is blind, but im trying to be as sober as i can. after all, Russia is my only home.

Luv, Evelyn.

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Old 19th June 2000, 23:44
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Greetings,
There is no such thing as absolut freedom. The Media has it's own interest to protect.
There is also prostitution of the news. Example: Rush Limbaugh in the USA. He takes the stupid actions of Bill Clinton and makes
a carrier out of it. He agitates his simple minded listeners to a point of frenzy. What good is served by such media? Could some of this be said of Mr. Gusinsky?
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Old 20th June 2000, 00:31
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Straighterway, your emotions and sentiments are understood. No fault is laid there. Also, I'm not questioning your intelligence or your ability to mentally grasp the issues and chew on them. It is but natural that we do not perceive and respond to things in the same fashion. The 'space'provided by this difference of reception gives us the room necessary for a free exchangeof ideas and information. >>>>> I am attempting to approach Russian politics from an amoral stance. I'm not always able to do so, butI do try. Right now, there is 'a body of things' in Russia that dearly need addressing, but in doing so one must be extremely cautious. A too aggressive of a move against this aggregate would likely produce severe and ugly reprecussions. People keep saying that they see and understand what is happening in the 'real time' frame of reference, but I have yet to see the model on which they base their judgments. We ought to remember that we are still only observers, and what we think we see can be all wrong. What is the correct model for political reality in Russia right now? I don't know. I don't even want to guess. I can take license to re-configure ideas to conform to a particular argument, opinion, ideological position,etc., but I am still no wiser then when I started the process. I can further guess that justice and injustice has no real meaning at this stage of empire building: nature and necessity take precedence. Its also fairly safe to assume that ambition, fear, and self-interest rules all decision-making in the Kremlin. Jumping full-bore into the fray at thistime might prove to be a very violent task-master. Peace
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Old 20th June 2000, 03:46
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>> Could some of this be said of Mr. Gusinsky? <<

No.

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Old 20th June 2000, 04:04
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Greetings Dr. Woland,
On Mr. Gusinsky I have to take your word. I would be interested to hear what you have to say about the absolut freedom of the media.
I do not know how it is in Russia, but in the USA 70% of the income of print media is from advertising. Do you think that this could present a conflict? In other words
will they write about something if it means
the loss of a MAJOR ADVERTISER? Will they investigate something if it could be adverse
to one of their MAJOR ADVERTISERS? Would you like some examples?
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