American Propoganda

[old-reb]

Hello Ania555,
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[Chancellor]

Well Ania you're entitled to your opinions, just as I am entitled to mine. American pride seems quite prevalent these days, but many times it's simple blind patriotism, regardless of historical events. I'd like to clarify a few things:First off, American has been responsible for more deaths than it has saved lives.. From Vietnam to Kosovo to Indonesia to Afghanistan to the middle east and back to Afghanistan. Secondly, America did not bail Europe out of the world wars from generosity. They acted with self-preservation in mind, e.g. Pearl Harbour, Feeling Threatened by Germany's success in Europe, and in ww1 the Zimmerman telegraph, wherein Germany tried to get Mexico to attack the U.S. The U.S saw Kuwait as an oppertunity to gain influence in the middle east, and still occupy Saudi Arabia against the wishes of the people. Thirdly, contrary to most Americans, not only does aving the biggest stick not make them the "masters" due to the fact that if they piss off enough nations there will be more then enough militry forces to defeat them, but also because Military power does not indicate a nations success, just look at Japan. And lastly, The U.S is blamed in "everything" (no sarcasm there) because they have a hand in "everything" (again, hate to think I'd be sarcastic..). The american leadership feels the need to to look at everything as an oppertunity to further themselves e.g. Creating Russia's "Vietnam" in Afghanistan, the use of terrorist organizations to further thier Goals (KLA, Nazis, Islamic Militants.. I guess that one backfired.. or did it?) etc.

~Matt~

[Ania555]

Hello Matt the Chancellor!

"Well Ania you're entitled to your opinions, just as I am entitled to mine."
-You certainly are entitled to one in America.

"American pride seems quite prevalent these days, but many times it's simple blind patriotism, regardless of historical events.
- American pride, there is nothing wrong with being patriotic, blind, I don't thinks so. I think it's about time Americans are finally realizing that their country is great. What country r u from?

"American has been responsible for more deaths than it has saved lives.. From Vietnam to Kosovo to Indonesia to Afghanistan to the middle east and back to Afghanistan."

- The only reason why some operations or wars, if u will, were unsuccessful was because politicians or people like u got in the way.

"Secondly, America did not bail Europe out of the world wars from generosity. They acted with self-preservation in mind, e.g. Pearl Harbour, Feeling Threatened by Germany's success in Europe, and in ww1 the Zimmerman telegraph, wherein Germany tried to get Mexico to attack the U.S."

"There is nothing wrong with self-preservation, but no matter which way u look at it, without Americans, we will still be fighting the war."


"The U.S saw Kuwait as an oppertunity to gain influence in the middle east, and still occupy Saudi Arabia against the wishes of the people."

- Of course US saw some interests in the Middle East, but may I remind u that Iraqi's Army used to be #4 in the world. And if US didn't shoot down Sadam, u never know what would happen.

"Thirdly, contrary to most Americans, not only does aving the biggest stick not make them the "masters" due to the fact that if they piss off enough nations there will be more then enough militry forces to defeat them, but also because Military power does not indicate a nations success, just look at Japan. And lastly, The U.S is blamed in "everything" (no sarcasm there) because they have a hand in "everything" (again, hate to think I'd be sarcastic..)."

-I guess I phrased it wrong before, in terms of the military power. Listen, look all around the BIG US of A , and you will see a major SUPERPOWER.

"The american leadership feels the need to to look at everything as an oppertunity to further themselves e.g. Creating Russia's "Vietnam" in Afghanistan, the use of terrorist organizations to further thier Goals (KLA, Nazis, Islamic Militants.. I guess that one backfired.. or did it?) etc."

- No, not the American leadership, rather liberals feel that we should be the peacekeepers of the world. But hey, don't we have UN for that, who am I trying to kid In terms of Afganistan--- this is personal. And you have no shame talking like that about the current Afganistan/Taliban situation.

Anka-

[nycrolite]

I guess I have to back up Chancellor here.

" The only reason why some operations or wars, if u will, were unsuccessful was because politicians or people like u got in the way. "

Ania, that "people like you" just wasn't nice.

Plus politicians ARE ruling the USA and if they aren't then its not democratic, hence according to your morales, wrong.

"Of course US saw some interests in the Middle East, but may I remind u that Iraqi's Army used to be #4 in the world. And if US didn't shoot down Sadam, u never know what would happen"

Nothing? How about that? Less people would probably die. My point is that USA did an immoral thing, but I would probably do the same, since it is natural for them to act in self-intrest. Just don't call it "doing the right thing", when it's not the right thing according to your morales, it was the smart thing to do, not the "right" thing.

"I guess I phrased it wrong before, in terms of the military power. Listen, look all around the BIG US of A , and you will see a major SUPERPOWER. "

Here I agree, and I think so does Chancellor.

"- No, not the American leadership, rather liberals feel that we should be the peacekeepers of the world. But hey, don't we have UN for that, who am I trying to kid In terms of Afganistan--- this is personal. And you have no shame talking like that about the current Afganistan/Taliban situation. "

Ok, liberals are one of the two ruling parties in USA, which make them account for USA leadership. Secondly about the personal part. Let's consider how personal the USA leadership, or perhaps liberals, or whatever made it to the Russians in afganistan? Where was the shame?

Ania don't take this personally, this board has people from all over the world and a lot of those people have very good reasons to hate americans, accept that, just as I for one accept that people hate russians, they too often have very good reasons. You are really trying to put down Chancellor somehow, take it easy, he has some valid points.

Comrades, your spelling is atrocious, particularly you Americans! Also some of you may not realize that propaganda can be TRUE. Noun 1. Information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc. Regrettably, it is most unlikely that much of the U.S. mass media fits this description. Rich media, poor democracy. Few Americans are aware just how much ownership of the mass media is concentrated in a few hands, so a lot of the bias is like water to a fish, unnoticed due to its very omnipresence. It is we Americans who should be our nation's most vigilant critics because it is our responsibility to correct its flaws! At a time like this it takes little brains and less guts to wrap oneself up in Old Glory and shoot anything that moves. I like to think we can act in a less dismally predictable way, and I challenge my fellow Americans to join me. Are James Bond movies propaganda? The excruciatingly bad movie WATERWORLD was some of the most wretched propaganda I have ever seen. Is the cute little panda on the WWF logo propaganda? How about all the Harry Potter rubbish? Oh, and punk rock, rap, and heavy metal? Get into the habit of asking,"Who benefits from this?", you may be surprised.

Has anyone noticed lately that any American in uniform is automatically a "hero" these days, at least on Channel 2, Houston (my wife's favorite)? And has anyone else noticed the "Little Patriot" disposable diapers on sale in the supermarkets? They are covered with red, white, and blue stars and to me are just more evidence that this entire "UNITED WE STAND" hysteria is, well,...

Originally posted by Ronbo
I would say "Kooky" but in the present company that would sound like approval....

you are cranky, do you need your Little Patriot changed?T.