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[Tonyukuk]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
they where turks mixed with jews now even more mixed its very low % off todays jews....take a look at jews today they look like kazaks? no...they look more slavic-semitic than kazak...many even look germanic..

Listen to me now.The forefathers of Turks were nothing to do with so called Mongoloid race .The concept Mongoloid Race is belonging to Indo-europanist scholars.There is no connection between Mongols and Turks in no way except for geographic way.The assumption advocating that there is a family URAL-ALTAIC has never been proven and confirmed despite al the attempts.

Secondly,having blue eyed and blonde physical appereance is not peculiar to European nations.For example,Finnish people which have nothing to do with Indo-Europeans are more blonde than many european people..Indo-Europanist are tended to search for the origins of Turks to be associated with Mongols.Nothing has resulted from these investigations up to this day.

For example,Xiong-nus (Asian Huns) who plundered all regions of China were blonde and blue eyed.Chinese called them the blonde devils of northern areas..Kypcak Turks who shape the main topic of the epic IGOR of Russians were blonde and blue eyed .another example is Cenghis Khagan who was a blonde and blue eyed..in addition to these,Schytians ,according to linquistic materials and evidences ,are very clearly of Turkic origin ,are accepted by all diwvit,chauvinist Indo-Europanist scum as Okladnikov,Tamara,Melyukova to be of Indo-European origin devoid of any historical or linguistic basis.We will touch upon the ethnic paternity of Schytians in the future.

[_Prawda_]

what does people in kazakstan look like? this is the place where the jewish kazakstan was....

and ure wrong about mongolians some hungarians i know have mongolian features one close friend is blond blue eyes but slanted eye form...and he has just like me only goat beard cant grow full beard like asians has ..my family too...cause turks,mongolians,urgrics etc had close lingustic and ethnic relations in ural before migration to europe...example avars who lived in hungary betwen hun and magyar times had mongolian features....

i said this before mongolians and turks arent same...only that becuase they lived and live close geograpicaly they mixed in time and since cengis army mostly became to be turks many mongolians got turkified and droped mongolian and speak turk and intermarriage...the languages effected each other finnic-urgric, mongolian, turk all have mixed both ethnic and language...

estonia,hungary,finland all have some common finnic roots
tho finland and estonia was mostly mixed with germanic people since finland and estonia was setteld and ruled by swedes,danes,germans....

[Edited by _Prawda_ on 24th August 2004 at 09:38]

[Tonyukuk]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
what does people in kazakstan look like? this is the place where the jewish kazakstan was....

and ure wrong about mongolians some hungarians i know have mongolian features one close friend is blond blue eyes but slanted eye form...and he has just like me only goat beard cant grow full beard like asians has ..my family too...cause turks,mongolians,urgrics etc had close lingustic and ethnic relations in ural before migration to europe...example avars who lived in hungary betwen hun and magyar times had mongolian features....

i said this before mongolians and turks arent same...only that becuase they lived and live close geograpicaly they mixed in time and since cengis army mostly became to be turks many mongolians got turkified and droped mongolian and speak turk and intermarriage...the languages effected each other finnic-urgric, mongolian, turk all have mixed both ethnic and language...

estonia,hungary,finland all have some common finnic roots
tho finland and estonia was mostly mixed with germanic people since finland and estonia was setteld and ruled by swedes,danes,germans....

[Edited by _Prawda_ on 24th August 2004 at 09:38]

If you try to determine the origins of nations taking into physical appereance consederation You will never get anything. There is no Pure race on earth. Physical appereance is nothing. Much of nations living in the past were blonde and blue eyed ,For example,Schytians who are of Turkic origin according to linquistic materials but are of Iranian origin according to political view ,were blonde and blue eyed.... Turks gained Mongoloid character over times.

[_Prawda_]

ure retarded again i say facts u talk about blajthae who knows what..sarmatians took over schytians....after sarmatians came Poland they lived in that area...this is why slavs and iranians have common features...only slavs is more blondes...u think everybody is turks speak turk etc... u are what u are...actions counts more than origin..theres no clear race thats same as dog inbreading...

[Tonyukuk]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
ure retarded again i say facts u talk about blajthae who knows what..sarmatians took over schytians....after sarmatians came Poland they lived in that area...this is why slavs and iranians have common features...only slavs is more blondes...u think everybody is turks speak turk etc... u are what u are...actions counts more than origin..theres no clear race thats same as dog inbreading...

I am not a racist man like IEanists.and I dont claim that every nations or every tribes is of Indo-European origin like IE do.For example,Wusuns,Yueh-chiehs are admitted by IEanists to be of Aryan origin. What evidences are there between the languages of These tribes and the language of Iranian tribes? answer is simple No ,there is no link between these nations and Aryans.But IEanists says that They must be of Iranian origin ,because We want so . the only evidence is this.

Who said the origin of Sarmats was of Slavic ?.dont try to say the works of some scholars of slavic origin, The crankgy assumption that Sarmats are of Slavic origin have never been accepted by the slavic sholarly milieu let alone other academicians.I will touch upon the origin of Sarmats and Schytians in another post in the future.

[_Prawda_]

http://www.walkingtree.com/mapspoland.html
this is 1554 alredy 500 years ago Poland was known by all the world as Poland aka Sarmatia now show a map where Turkey or Kazakstan etc are known as Schytia?

there isnt any evidence what the schytians realy where but theres facts that slavs and sarmatians had close origin and remember the sarmatians conquerd the schytians so Poles-Sarmatians-Schytians are related...Sarmatians where iranian and Slavs lived as a group within Sarmatian....Just like there was turkic tribes within Huns..How come polish has some iranian words without being ocupied by Iran/Persia? its easy they lived and mixed with Sarmatian before migrations...

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~sarmatia/
Polish journal known as Sarmatia...

http://www.bartleby.com/65/sa/Sarmatia.html
Sarmatia


(särm´sh) (KEY) , ancient district between the Vistula River and the Caspian Sea, occupied by the Sarmatians [Lat. Sarmatae] from the 3d cent. B.C. through the 2d cent. A.D. The term is vague and is also used to refer to the territory along the Danube and across the Carpathians where the Sarmatians were later driven by the Huns. The Sarmatians, who until c.200 B.C. lived E of the Don River, spoke an Indo-Iranian language and were a nomadic pastoral people related to the Scythians (see Scythia), whom they displaced in the Don region. The main divisions were the Rhoxolani, the Iazyges, and the Alans or Alani. They came into conflict with the Romans but later allied themselves with Rome, acting as buffers against the Germans. They were scattered or assimilated with the Germans by the 3d cent. A.D.

now where did they live? in Wistula river thats where Polands center is today...
what did they speak? indo-iranian...
come with some facts...in 300 ad those who assimilated to germans in 500 ad where assimilated to Poles...


"The main divisions were the Rhoxolani, the Iazyges, and the Alans or Alani"
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big0400.ht
now look at the map where is Alani, Iazyges, Rhoxolani?
they are in Serbia,Poland and Ukraine...
now ive fact fed u like a kid...get with the facts....

[Edited by _Prawda_ on 26th August 2004 at 02:06]

[Tonyukuk]

it is sad to say that U have no any historical information.I dont believe that u have read any history book so far. u are always repeating what u have heard ..tell me your original views of this topic. I think u are not reading my posts..If u really read U wouldnt repeat the same things..

I will discuss the origin of Schytians and Sarmats in this forum with the friends not with you ,who dont have any information about History,in the future ..

The Account I will now mention regarding the so called Iranic origin of Schytians or their so called Iranic language,which is a fantasy,contradict the view advocating that the notion that They spoke an Iranian dialect.

Our only information resource about Schytians are Heredotus ..look at what Heredotus says about them

Herodotus also writes about a Persian invasion of
Scythia. He specifically states of Scythians having a completely different language/culture from that of the Persians.

This fact is just enough and to spare to repute the view which relates the language of Schytians to Iranian . there is no any "modern" linguistic evidence suggesting that Scythians were of Iranian stock.

But U will never get this no matter how many times it is explained.U are killing my time in vain.