Hitler Vs. Stalin

[prawda]

ure admiering hitler lime....u come with all this german nazis hitlerm bs..thats all u manage to answer real weak..ure to retarded to even know what u talkin bout...
the german view was slavs was untermenshen and so was jews and they wanted to clean up east europe for the nazi empire...

yougoslavia killed 500 germans when invaded, poland killed 50.000 in one month...french and english 25.000 in 1 year...by standards poles did best resistance in germans blitzkreig...germans had good tech they used blitz etc but still so? they where retard nazis like russia was retrd commies.....russians didnt let west use airfields in east for suport to polish-homearmy...and off all germans hitler was among most stupid tactician there was he was sik disilusioned man and u wanting to join ss shows ure motife..
the english went to greece in suport english could have gone to poland also in start off war then could been saved lives much earlier and ww2 end earlier and russia wouldnt have same chance invade east...
the first jetaircraft german scientist built was fastest avilable and most effective only hitler was stupid let it pas several months to be built as long range plane so it didnt get much chance...nomather this it was good that hitler so stupid so ended war earlier....and if west would stop czech and polish invasion also would change much...weast could alredy start suplying in poland after austrian invasion..any person could count this...the polish goverment knew soon things would happen but west dreamed and hoped and tuned fantasy blind eye that german not repeat ww1...poles alredy told west what germany was up to..poland get enigma why u think this.....

[Edited by prawda on 12th March 2004 at 05:12]

[Voyager13b]

Neither was a great leader. Each manipulated and murdered their political competition, not to mention innocents abroad, and through various other actions/inactions, millions of their "own" populations.

This is leadership?

Why not write a paper on the qualities of the the world's great murderous tyrants? At least the title would give some indication of what is discussed inside.

Voyager

[limey_defence]

Hitler did not murder his own race of people. His manipulation of the political opposition was simply a quicker way in to prove he was what the people of Germany wanted. Which he was.
Hitler was the German peoples saviour, for the first 6 years of his power. None of you would disagree if the Second World War would of never happened. All he did before the war was regain the rightful German land and rid his country of what the GERMAN people thought did not belong there.
If the world did not agree why was he made Times Magazine Man of the Year 1938?

Prawda, you have proven to me time and time again you know nothing of World War 2 or the National Socialist Regime. And in fact, Hitler and the Nazi regime are something of two slightly but different things. Heinz Guderian himself said while in Nuremburg that he fought for National Socialist fundamentals not Hitler.

Voyager, who would you say is or was a great leader?

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by limey_defence
Hitler did not murder his own race of people. His manipulation of the political opposition was simply a quicker way in to prove he was what the people of Germany wanted. Which he was.
Hitler was the German peoples saviour, for the first 6 years of his power. None of you would disagree if the Second World War would of never happened. All he did before the war was regain the rightful German land and rid his country of what the GERMAN people thought did not belong there.
If the world did not agree why was he made Times Magazine Man of the Year 1938?

Prawda, you have proven to me time and time again you know nothing of World War 2 or the National Socialist Regime. And in fact, Hitler and the Nazi regime are something of two slightly but different things. Heinz Guderian himself said while in Nuremburg that he fought for National Socialist fundamentals not Hitler.

Voyager, who would you say is or was a great leader?

Limey,

My point is that the die was cast for WWII when Hitler took power. No matter that he manipulated his people into loving him, as he rebuilt German confidence and economic "feeling" by puting Germany into a war economy during the "peaceful" 30's. Lavish spending on public works, and in building the German war machine could not have been supported for very long without the bill becoming due. His plan from the begining was to pay the bill with the spoils of victory, and the labor of the conquered. It couldn't have happened any other way.

As I said, not even counting the Jews (who were German citizens), he murdered millions of his own by letting his twisted ego write a check that the German people couldn't cash. By his direct actions, so much of the existing generation of Germans died that boys and old men were pressed to defend Berlin in the last days.

Since the entire foundation of his plan hinged on either the subjugation of neighboring States, or the destruction of his own country, there is no circumstance where I could consider Hitler to be a great leader. Not even during the glory days before the bill came due.

Stalin built the SU in a similar manner, but instead of banking on war booty and foreign slaves to pay the bill, he had no problem paying as he went with the lives of Soviet slaves. Same solution to footing the expense of warp speed modernization, just a different group assigned the check.

In either case, no modern civilization with free flow of information would ever think the tradeoff of knowingly taking millions of lives in order to present a more modern and powerful appearance would be worth the cost. At the very least, such practice does not define leadership.

Who would I say was a great leader? Keeping within the times, Winston Churchill comes to mind. Since you live there, you might have other thoughts about the man, but from an American perspective, he was the right man at the right time, and was the personification of the allied effort. He also inspired me to enjoy the savory wonder of a fine cigar from time to time.


Voyager

[Armelius]

Both of them were helped considerably by western powers.

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by Armelius
Both of them were helped considerably by western powers.

Maybe you should get help too.....


(j/k)

Voyager

[Panzerschreck]

Hitler Vs Stalin?? They both live parallel lives. They killed, they dictated, they lied,and they did what was best for their country. Without them Russia and Germany wouldn't rise into a strong country.
One more thing, i thought Hitler hated the Jews because a Jew poisoned him when he was young??