Should Prussia be returned to Germany

[AnarchistPatriot]

http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/clep.htm

Discuss...

If we dig history, this land originally belongs to Slavic/Baltic people, not to Germans. And how many germans do live there today (I mean Kaliningrad)? So, return to Germany? No, I don't think so.

[limey_defence]

That's how World War 2 started in the first place, people taking land off Germany and dividing Europe nicely among themselves.
It served Russia nicely to go through World War 2 until the end, maybe they felt left out after the First World War.

It was nice of the Germans to have to defend their own people in 1919 after the war should have been over a year ago. No wonder the Germans were annoyed, I wouldn't blame them if they did it again. People just NEVER learn, do they.

[_Prawda_]

limey u same nazi as always.....
this is a stupid question prussians was a baltic tribe only the german knigths stole the name, they was pagan and not interested in becoming christians,they made attacks on polish and lithuanian lands so polish duke of mazowia invited the teuton knigths from israel after they failed to hold on against muslims.....they where to be under the polish king with some lands to be setteld by mostly german peasents they got gredy and after they killed or assimilated prussians they attacked poland and lithuania.....after poland beat them bad in 1410...after they where kindly given own vassal state under poland-lithuanian commonwealth while the poles could have and should integrate them more but commonwealth cultre gave freedom not like russians or german slave politics even after 1660 full independace but this was misstake to give the gredy germans free play we all know what later happend first prussia ocupied north poland and germanised more and later slautherd poles and polish-jews....after prussia took more polish land in partitions....so the area only returned rigthfully to polish lands tho russians took the north and made colony wich should be returned to poland and lithuania....

n limey again u know nothing off history only ure nazi propaganda u say germany should again attack poland and france...the lands off poland in 1918-20 where tru polish lands...even all silesia and pomerania are slav polish lands from the start..even all east germany are germanised slav tribes.....

i know from my own family and ancestors i have both german from weast prussia in rhen region serving in army and polish side serving in poznan prussian army cause u had to or could get killed or jailed...even have some who ran from polish rebelion in russian-poland after losing all thoose revolutions in 1830 and 1860 they had chance to go to prussian-poland part but had to serve in prussian army to settle there....

http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0860564.html

[Edited by _Prawda_ on 28th June 2004 at 06:15]

[AnarchistPatriot]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
limey u same nazi as always.....
this is a stupid question prussians was a baltic tribe only the german knigths stole the name, they was pagan and not interested in becoming christians,they made attacks on polish and lithuanian lands so polish duke of mazowia invited the teuton knigths from israel after they failed to hold on against muslims.....they where to be under the polish king with some lands to be setteld by mostly german peasents they got gredy and after they killed or assimilated prussians they attacked poland and lithuania.....after poland beat them bad in 1410...after they where kindly given own vassal state under poland-lithuanian commonwealth while the poles could have and should integrate them more but commonwealth cultre gave freedom not like russians or german slave politics even after 1660 full independace but this was misstake to give the gredy germans free play we all know what later happend first prussia ocupied north poland and germanised more and later slautherd poles and polish-jews....after prussia took more polish land in partitions....so the area only returned rigthfully to polish lands tho russians took the north and made colony wich should be returned to poland and lithuania....

n limey again u know nothing off history only ure nazi propaganda u say germany should again attack poland and france...the lands off poland in 1918-20 where tru polish lands...even all silesia and pomerania are slav polish lands from the start..even all east germany are germanised slav tribes.....

http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0860564.html

Interesting you should mention the Teutonic Knights. I have just posted something there.

Check out this link as well..
http://www.deutscher-orden.at/e/heute.htm

According to the official history, as the Prussians tell it, the Baltic Prussians were cruel barbarians who practiced human sacrefice. The reason the Teutonic knights were sent was to civilize this region. At least thats the Catholic version of the story. Oddly enough, after the Protestant reformation, Lithuanians retained the Catholic Church while German Prussians adopted Luthernism.

[_Prawda_]

lithuanians and poles remained catholic cause there was counter reformation against protestatism...and the nobles in poland who became protestans ither was thrown out or went bak to catholic... from the jesuits and catholic church vatican style....

[limey_defence]

I don't believe I stated that I wished Germany to attack France or Poland again. The fact is Europe was covered with tribes, the Romans had to conquer many tribes to bring Italy together. They civilised the whole of Italy as the Germanics did.
Something people forget, when they see an invasion it's automatically bad.