where does the name ATTILA,the king of Huns,come from?

[_Prawda_]

Hungary is a mix of Mongol, Turkic and Finnic-Urgric,Slavic,Germanic ... Huns Avars Magyars etc consisted off many diferent tribes and languages within each migration.....Todays Magyar language that hungarians speak is off Urgric branch, Turkic belongs to other branch but from same ural origin....theres many Turkic,Germanic and Slavic words in Hungarian i know this have many hungarian neigbhours and friends Hungary and Poland was also for many years same kingdom in alliance and have in europe among the most common dna since populations crossed each countrys in migrations and biznes etc....After the mongol invasions in 1240 in Poland and Hungary there setteld many germans in empty villages...Also more jews came to Poland after this cause mongols had masssacerd or beslaved many villages along the way....Poles and Hungarians even have a song from old times that says they are brothers...

[Tonyukuk]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
Hungary is a mix of Mongol, Turkic and Finnic-Urgric,Slavic,Germanic ... Huns Avars Magyars etc consisted off many diferent tribes and languages within each migration.....Todays Magyar language that hungarians speak is off Urgric branch, Turkic belongs to other branch but from same ural origin....theres many Turkic,Germanic and Slavic words in Hungarian i know this have many hungarian neigbhours and friends Hungary and Poland was also for many years same kingdom in alliance and have in europe among the most common dna since populations crossed each countrys in migrations and biznes etc....After the mongol invasions in 1240 in Poland and Hungary there setteld many germans in empty villages...Also more jews came to Poland after this cause mongols had masssacerd or beslaved many villages along the way....Poles and Hungarians even have a song from old times that says they are brothers...

There is no concensus among scholars as to where and when magyars originated.Ad you stated,The current view is tented to see our -present Magyars to be of a people originating in the region of Ural and to be closely linked with Finnish groups in terms of Cultural .but The connections between Turkic and the forefathers of Magyars are not rejected by the scholarly milieu at all.
The known thing regarding Hungary is that Our -present Hungary was established by the dynasty ARPAD of Turkic origin who is beleived to be descended from the dynasty Attila.The name of Hungary comes from a Turkic tribe named ON-OGHUR led by Arpad .The superstratum of the first -Magyar state established by a group of Turks of which the chieftain is Arpad is of Turkic.

All states and empires established up to this day were consisted of many groups and languages. of course, Huns and Avars were made up of many people from different origins,but The main group and the ruling layer of these empires were Turks.

[_Prawda_]

they speak urgric not turkic just acept it....u even heard hungarian? its closer to turkic than other languages in europe but its not turkic language...go with it or get retarded..

[Tonyukuk]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
they speak urgric not turkic just acept it....u even heard hungarian? its closer to turkic than other languages in europe but its not turkic language...go with it or get retarded..

There is no problem with which language Our present-day Magyars spoke.The crux thing is why all resources which tell of Magyars in the medieval ages call them as Turks and the presence of many linguistic Turkic materials belonging to Proto-Magyars

[_Prawda_]

http://www.fernweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mf/huns.htm

its like this there was first the Huns then Avars then Magyars that setteld and ruled hungary....all these 3 tribe invasions had own little tribes off diferent ethnic in them like Slav,Germanic,Turkic,Mongol....Hungarian is logicaly mostly magyar insperd cause they where the last people too rule til today....there is turkic words and turkic dna in hungarians but its not in majorety...

http://campus.northpark.edu/history/...rope/Huns.html
acording to this they where mongolian but they didnt look that mongolian to be called that like mongolians looked...its a mix...

http://www.imninalu.net/Huns_maps.htm

http://www.fernweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mf/avars.htm
avars also said to be mongolians..


http://www.hungary.org/users/hipcat/history.htm

http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/husa/origins/origins.html

http://www2.4dcomm.com/millenia/history.htm


The seven Hungarian nations, whose names I have transliterated slightly for the English pronunciation, were the following; Magyari (Madjary), Nyék(Nyak), Kari, Kasi, Taryán, Kurt-Djarmat, Yenö.

Their rulers are: Álmos, Árpád (son of Almos), Huba, Töhötöm, Ond, Elöd, and Tash.

We are not certain in every case which ruler ruled which nation, however we know that other tribes/nations also joined the seven Hungarian ones. We know, for example that following the revolt against the Khazar Empire, three renegade Khazar "Kabar" tribes joined the Magyar Confederacy and moved west to settle in Hungary. Henceforth the now ten tribes, which in the Turanian language was called Onogur meaning "ten tribes", became the western name of the confederacy, which changed in pronunciation to be Ugor, Ungar, Hungar, Venger in various languages. The Kende was supposedly their theocratic ruler but not one who wielded the real power. The real ruler and military commander in chief was called Gyula. Both titles are of Altaic -language origin.

Since not all the Magyars came west, a portion of them moved north to the land called Baskiria, near the Ural Mountains while many remained in the Caucasus and were also joined by more Hungarians from their old settlements north of the Black Sea. In Baskiria four of the seven Hungarian tribal names are still found and the Baskirs are called by the same name by the Russians as Hungarians call themselves (Mozerjan/Magyar). Yet, they have naturally changed over time, mixing with new waves of Turkic nations, while their original stock was largely decimated during the Mongol invasion, after their initial military success against them. The mongols when they entered Hungary made reference also to the Baskirs and applied the name to both Hungarians and the Baskirs of the Urals. Early Persian and Arab references also talk of the eastern and western branches of the Hungarians and relate the Baskirs to Hungarians.(/P) (P)(Yeney/Yenö, Jurmati/Djarmat, Tamyan/Taryan, Girei/Kari) Each of these nations originally had a history of its own but in time converged to be "Hungarian" in language.

as u see there is no clear view it was a mix off turkic,mongol,urgric tribes tho the urgric came out as winner in the language and ethnic cause they where the most numbers just like bulgarians where turks but the slavs outnumberd the bulgars so now they speak slav...

[Edited by _Prawda_ on 24th August 2004 at 09:28]

[Tonyukuk]

Originally posted by _Prawda_
http://www.fernweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mf/huns.htm

its like this there was first the Huns then Avars then Magyars that setteld and ruled hungary....all these 3 tribe invasions had own little tribes off diferent ethnic in them like Slav,Germanic,Turkic,Mongol....Hungarian is logicaly mostly magyar insperd cause they where the last people too rule til today....there is turkic words and turkic dna in hungarians but its not in majorety...
Pls read my post well .U have no ability to detect what I said via posts .I have never claim that Our present-day Hungarians are of Turkic origin.but Science accept the Dynasty Arpad to be of Turkic origin. The origin of magyars are open to contra-theories still.

secondly,Györff,the outstanding Hungarian ethymolog regarding the proto-Magyars,say that 90 % of Hungarians today carry Turkic blood because of fact that Hungary was a place Turkic tribes settled always

http://campus.northpark.edu/history/...rope/Huns.html
acording to this they where mongolian but they didnt look that mongolian to be called that like mongolians looked...its a mix...
The words Mongolid or Mongol are terms which are very commonly and wrongly used by many researches to in order to express all nations originating in Central Asia.according to them,Turks ,Magyars or any nation originating in Central Asia are Mongol.. learn what the word Mongol means.

http://www.imninalu.net/Huns_maps.htm

http://www.fernweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mf/avars.htm
avars also said to be mongolians..
Avars have nothing to do with Mongols .Onomosticon narrated by many resources and Titles used by them are of Turkic origin.There are inscriptions belonging to Late Avar period. see the works of Omeljan Pritsak on these inscriptions.


http://www.hungary.org/users/hipcat/history.htm

http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/husa/origins/origins.html

http://www2.4dcomm.com/millenia/history.htm


The seven Hungarian nations, whose names I have transliterated slightly for the English pronunciation, were the following; Magyari (Madjary), Nyék(Nyak), Kari, Kasi, Taryán, Kurt-Djarmat, Yenö.

Their rulers are: Álmos, Árpád (son of Almos), Huba, Töhötöm, Ond, Elöd, and Tash.

We are not certain in every case which ruler ruled which nation, however we know that other tribes/nations also joined the seven Hungarian ones. We know, for example that following the revolt against the Khazar Empire, three renegade Khazar "Kabar" tribes joined the Magyar Confederacy and moved west to settle in Hungary. Henceforth the now ten tribes, which in the Turanian language was called Onogur meaning "ten tribes",
Onogur is of Turkic origin. On means Ten in Turkic. Ogur means tribe in Turkic. learn this.

became the western name of the confederacy, which changed in pronunciation to be Ugor, Ungar, Hungar, Venger in various languages. The Kende was supposedly their theocratic ruler but not one who wielded the real power. The real ruler and military commander in chief was called Gyula. Both titles are of Altaic -language origin.

Gyula is a caption of Turkic origin.It is a Turkic loanword in Hungarian.Hungarian borrowed it from Bulgar Turks.

Since not all the Magyars came west, a portion of them moved north to the land called Baskiria, near the Ural Mountains while many remained in the Caucasus and were also joined by more Hungarians from their old settlements north of the Black Sea. In Baskiria four of the seven Hungarian tribal names are still found and the Baskirs are called by

Baskirs are of Turkic origin

the same name by the Russians as Hungarians call themselves (Mozerjan/Magyar). Yet, they have naturally changed over time, mixing with new waves of Turkic nations, while their original stock was largely decimated during the Mongol invasion, after their initial military success against them. The mongols when they entered Hungary made reference also to the Baskirs and applied the name to both Hungarians and the Baskirs of the Urals. Early Persian and Arab references also talk of the eastern and western branches of the Hungarians and relate the Baskirs to Hungarians.(/P) (P)(Yeney/Yenö, Jurmati/Djarmat, Tamyan/Taryan, Girei/Kari) Each of these nations originally had a history of its own but in time converged to be "Hungarian" in language.

see the book by ARPAD BERTA about these tribal names. and learn which one of them are of Turkic or not.

as u see there is no clear view it was a mix off turkic,mongol,urgric tribes tho the urgric came out as winner in the language and ethnic cause they where the most numbers just like bulgarians where turks but the slavs outnumberd the bulgars so now they speak slav...

false

[Edited by _Prawda_ on 24th August 2004 at 09:28]

[_Prawda_]

firstly ure far off cause Huns wasnt a race or a people but a confederation off diferent tribes who came too hugary...so ure retarded knowledge says nothin...u say hungarians have 90% turk dna? what a joke then poles slovaks etc also have 90% turk dna ? haha...the closest dna to hungarians in europe is poles theres several sigths where u can see this....


there was turk tribes in hungarian history but they where maybe 20% just like kazak jews was very small %...just as there was crimean,kazan,astrakhan tatars who came to poland-lithuania..there lived 200.000 tatars but mostly was cristianised and mixed with polish nobles now only 5000 are still muslim....i have some off this ancestors so im not anti turk only realist...example Poland has about 10% mongol/turk dna...Hungary about same or little more....Most off Hungarian Nobles and armys was killed by? yes the ottoman turks who slautherd them and installed turks during ottoman ocupation so many off Hungarians with the turk dna was kiled by other muslim turks...