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Old 25th August 2004, 12:12
Tonyukuk Tonyukuk is offline
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firstly ure far off cause Huns wasnt a race or a people but a confederation off diferent tribes who came too hugary...so ure retarded knowledge says nothin...u say hungarians have 90% turk dna? what a joke then poles slovaks etc also have 90% turk dna ? haha...the closest dna to hungarians in europe is poles theres several sigths where u can see this....


there was turk tribes in hungarian history but they where maybe 20% just like kazak jews was very small %...just as there was crimean,kazan,astrakhan tatars who came to poland-lithuania..there lived 200.000 tatars but mostly was cristianised and mixed with polish nobles now only 5000 are still muslim....i have some off this ancestors so im not anti turk only realist...example Poland has about 10% mongol/turk dna...Hungary about same or little more....Most off Hungarian Nobles and armys was killed by? yes the ottoman turks who slautherd them and installed turks during ottoman ocupation so many off Hungarians with the turk dna was kiled by other muslim turks...
This is the last post from to you. because U have no ability to detect what I said via posts .I will say it again I have no intention of claiming that Magyars are of Turkic origin ,But The evidences between Magyars and Turks can not be rejected by the scholarly milieu ,For example some scholars of Hungarian scholars such as Armin Vambery and Vichy accept that Magyars are of Turkic origin. I am not a man who believes the results of DNA researches. That saying regarding DNA is not belonging to me .It is a famous hungarian scholar.

Secondly,The avaliability of a race named SLAV can not be accepted in the scholarly milieu. Slavic world is linked with Linquistic resemblance and origin not with the same offspring.

Finally,As O.Haelfen Maenchen ,Pelliot stated ,Hunnish empires were mainly in a conglomeretation of Turkic groups ,beside the fact that Many races lived in those empires ,The superstratum of Hunnish States and the main group were of Turkic origin.
As Ligeti said,Attila and His dynasty were definitely of Turkic origin.
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Old 25th August 2004, 18:14
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if Huns where so influential why do today Hugarians speak magyar and not Turk? cause Turkic tribes was small group within Urgric bigger group....the huns is no more...theres only today Hungarians and they speak Urgric with some Turkic words in it just like Slavic and Germanic words....
Why do Bulgars speak Slavic? same cause slavs where bigger and stronger group than turkic bulgars...both Bulgars and Huns was too small group to survive....
i know hungarians very well they are known by ignorant west as Hungarians but in real they are magyars and speak magyar...west only use name Hun cause it was the group that made greatest devistation to german and roman empires...the Hun groups where Urgrics with some smaller slav,germanic,turk groups who fougth in their wars and later assimilated...


http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hungarian.htm

Hungarian is a Uralic language with about 15 million speakers in Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Ukraine and Slovakia. There are also many people of Hungarian origin in the UK and other European countries, the USA, Canada and Australia.

Hungarian is a highly inflected language in which nouns can have up to 238 possible forms. It is related to Mansi, an Ob-Ugric language with about 4,000 speakers who live in the eastern Urals, and Khanty or Ostyak, the other Ob-Ugric language which is spoken by about 15,000 people in the Ob valley of western Siberia.

The Hungarian people are thought to be descendants of the Onogouroi tribe, who were driven out of Siberia in the 5th century AD and then spent several centuries roaming the Eurasian steppes and fighting the various groups they encountered, such as the Romans, Franks and others. They eventually settled down in the area now known as Hungary (Magyarország) in 895-6 AD. Their language was influenced by Old Slavonic, medieval Latin and German, and also contains some Turkic loan words.

The earliest Hungarian literature, dating from the 12th century, was in Latin. Texts in Hungarian started to appear during the 13th century. The first book to be printed in Hungarian was published in 1527 in Krakow, Poland. Hungarian literature flourished during the 18th and 19th centuries.


http://reference.allrefer.com/countr...hungary62.html
and the word ogur meaning 10 arrows was from the 10 tribes only this 1 word dont mean they all turk....just like cause u live in usa or speak english meaning ure germanic latest i saw black dont look like germanics just cause they speak anglo...
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Old 9th November 2004, 06:49
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Old 26th March 2005, 04:00
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Well, the name of Atilla has survived in our language(bulgarian) in two forms. Tilio and Tilko. He was from the clan of Dulo(Gyula in hungarian). Khan Kubrat and his sons (including khan Asparukh). We speak slavonic because of the christianity. The books were written in that language. Compare the grammar and you will see the differencies between the bulgarian and theother slav's languages.
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Old 27th March 2005, 18:30
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Omeljan Pritsak believes that the word Dulo is the name of the dynasty of Hsiung-nus (Asian Huns).The only Turkic group speaking Bulgaric dialect on earth today is the Chuvash Turks.Chuvash are thought to have descended from old bulgars.Asparukh,A Bulgaric personel name,is in the form of Isperikh in Chuvash language. Asparukh means ''little falcon'' in Turkic
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Old 27th March 2005, 20:54
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Well i know this. Anyway Pritsak is not the universal truth. So i don't take everything from him as 100% truth. The chuvash people still speak their language. You should know about the researches that were made by hungarian scientists about the relationship between the hungarian and the chuvash language. There are lots of similarities. Some historians used to think that Attila and Avitohol are the same person, but today is not sure if this is truth. As i remember Attila was from Dulo and the Arpad dinasty had family relations with Dulo.
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Old 28th March 2005, 23:17
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Omeljan Pritsak ,who is accepted to be one of the foremost several Hunnologs of All times,is probably the foremost expert on Huns in our present-day.His articles is everywhere.He is accepted to be the most leading authority on many topics related to the Eurasian historiography.For example,He is today the most pioneering authority about Bulgars with Talat Tekin,a Turkic scholar.

His ethymologic offers can be argued upon. but We must be respectful to his career.He himself is the professor in the university of Harward,America.As You know ,It is admitted to being the best university in the world.

Arpad ,who is the founder of the present-day Hungary,is accepted to be descended from the dynasty of Attila.
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