Russia and the Allies

[Michal_PL]

Russia ever since it entered European policy during Peter I til Putin days has always been strongly germanophile with some short cycles of break.conclusion-germanophilia is a Russian subconscious tendency.

[generalzo]

Nonsense, I say. Complete nosense. Russia and Prussia (and Austria) shared the heritage of dying Poland at the end of the 18th century, and they later, of course, had the common interest to prevent Polish restauration - but Germano-Russian relations cannot be regarded only from the Polish standpoint. Copernicus was a Pole, but he postulated that the Earth orbits the Sun, not Poland: although this fact might amaze you, Poland is not a center of the universe.

[Michal_PL]

neither Russia is the centre of universe.but what surely Russia is, is a germanophile country.maybe it's only a result of geopolitics of our region.after all Germans and Russians are different races but it doesn't play any role cause similar nations often don't like each other and nations who differ are often friendly towards another.you mentioned that Russia and Germany shared the same interests.that's right and that's the main reason of Russian germanophilia.Hungry Russian imperialism could be satisfied only with its German counterpart.Now Germans are no longer Prussian wild nationalists but western peaceful cosmpolitans kinda French.that's why Russia empire can only decrease on its western ends.

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by Michal_PL
there you go,Zbyszek

1720-treaties between Austria,Germany and Russia against Poland
1732-treaty of 3 black eagles
from 1700 to 1914 almost all Russian diplomats were pure Germans,tzarist dynasty from 1762 was practically German
1762-Peter III leaves Russian army from Prussia
1772,1793,1795-Poland
1794,1830,1863-Prussia helps Russia defeat Polish risings
1922-Rapallo,economic and military cooperation between Germany and USSR
1926-Berlin treaty of non-agression between Germany and Russia
1939-common agression on Poland
1939-41-political and economic cooperation
1990-Gorbatchov allows to unify Germany
from 1990s-economic and political cooperation between Germany and Russia
Putin's germanophilia,German gorbiphilia,putinophilia and russophilia

WWI,WWII were only short breaks

this all proves enough Russians are genetically germanophile not panslavic.

Sorry Michal, but your isolated facts do not match like Lego bricks to develop any reasonable theory. Russia's imperial interest coincided sometimes with Prussian one but I doubt whether Russian intelligentsia approved of them or tried to add culture to politics. As far as I know, Russian culture was inclined to borrow rather from French than German cultural pool (similar like in the case of Poles). I dare say Slavs were absolutely indifferent about German influences in spite of so close neighbourhood. Saying about 'genetic' Russian filogermanism sounds as dangerous to me as saying about 'genetic' Polish antisemitism.
I would agree that political coincidence of German and Russian political goals used to be terrible headache for Poland.

[Michal_PL]

ethnic and racial distance between Germans and Russians has nothing to do with that.Poles are much closer to Lithuanians and Hungarians than slavs Russians and so are Russians closer to Germany not slavs.Russian intelligentsia is like any other intelligentsia.they think they're always right but in fact Russians don't care about intelligentsia.it's the same as in Poland where ,,intelligents'' can say all they want and as a result Unia Wolnosci has 1% social support.
in the end German and Russian culture and mentality were always very similar til 1945.Germany was authoritarian,quasi-bysantic and nationalistic.so was Russia.

[generalzo]

Originally posted by Michal_PL
in the end German and Russian culture and mentality were always very similar til 1945.Germany was authoritarian,quasi-bysantic and nationalistic.so was Russia.

German and Russian culture weren't similar at any time. I cannot remember any proof for this statment. Germany was authoritarian state, same as Russia - but here every similarity ends. German empire was formed on the ideal basis of nationalism and it had nothing with Bysantian heritage. On the other hand, one of the sources of Russian autocracy ("samoderzhavie") was Bysatian influence - however, nationalism (which is mostly product of the 19th century, and Russian empire is much older) certainly wasn't one of them.

[Michal_PL]

there is a theory that Germans didn't truly accept western christianity in medieval.protestant church of Germany was joint with state authority of kings the same as orthodox church is.German Kings were its religious administrators.there were also tyrants and dictators in Germany despite it was in central place of West civilization.
Also societies were similar.Blind obedience to the authorities and hierarchy was the same in Russia and Germany.in contrary to individual societies of America or Poland.
Only difference is that German culture was richer and Germans changed very much since Adenauer while Russia only became more nationalistic it was.