The Caucasoid descent of Chinese people

[countryboy]

This is a writing on Khmers, Mon People, & Southwestern Peoples that is delivered as promised before. After reading through this post, people will understand who those peoples were and why I called those guys who looked to Caucasoid implication as "identifying a thief as his father".


SOUTHWEST BEING THE SUPPLIER OF TIN

Southwest China, part of the plateau leading to Himalaya, was validated to be a spot full of traces of ancient homo erectus and homo sapiens. In this very spot, archaeologists had proven that ancient Yunnan Prov people, more than 3800 years ago, could be the sole supplier of tin for the bronze of Shang Dynasty and succeeding dynasties.


BRIEF HISTORY

In this place would first appear a so-called Dian-yue Statelet which was usurped by Chu Principality's General Zhuang Qiao around 4th century BC and later submitted to Han Emperor Wudi around 111 BC. A seal from Han Dynasty, bearing the characters of "Seal Of King Dian", was recently excavated. Han Chinese heavily immigrated into southwest China at the time when Han Emperor Wudi first established Yizhou-jun Commandary in 109 BC. Out of officials controlling this area would emerge the Cuan family which had its grip till AD 747, for about 400 years. Thereafter, Ailao-yi people, ancestors of today's Yi-zu minority, established the Nan-zhao statelet. Nan-zhao was succeeded by Da-li (AD 937-1253) statelet, to be conquered by the Mongols in AD 1253.


SANMIAO - EARLIEST SOUTHERNERS

The earliest southerners were called Sanmiao. At the times of Lords Yao-Shun-Yu, the so-called 'Sanmiao' (Three Miao) people had been living in the middle Yangtze River, taking Lake Dongting as their very homeland. In Prehistory, we mentioned that some advocates for southern aboriginals claimed that Chiyou (Chi-u) belonged to southern Chinese who descended from the Liangzhu Culture and that southerners had expanded into Hebei areas of northern China, instead. Someone by the name of Qin Yanzhou speculated that Chiyou's Jiuli was an alliance of ox-totem southern proto-Nan-Man people and bird-totem eastern proto-Dong-Yi people. Conventional wisdom claimed that SanMiao was derived from Chiyou's Jiuli or "Nine Li[2] Tribes". The middle Yangtze River would remain marshlands and lakes till the time of the Chu State of the Warring States period (403-221 BC). The State of Chu, 1500 years after Xia Dynasty was first established, would still belong to an alien ethnical group, and they were the first group of people to reject the overlordship of the Zhou Dynasty by declaring themselves as a king of equal footing. Mainly in today's Guangdong and Hunan provinces would exist Zhuang-zu and Yao-zu minorities, and mainly in today's Guizhou and Guangxi provinces would exist Miao-zu, Zhuang-zu, and Yao-zu minorities. Miao-zu, Zhuang-zu, and Yao-zu, living more closer to central China, should have closer affiliations with ancient San-Miao people, with the same character 'maio' embedded.


COMPOSITIONS OF PEOPLES

Now to the people. Details could be seen at http://www.uglychinese.org/vietnamese.htm


In ancient southern China and southwestern China, there existed the so-called Bai-yue or Hundred Yue Family; Bai-pu or Hundred Pu[2] Family; and Di[1]-Qiang[1] Family.


In today's China, there are 56 ascertained ethnic groups. The natives living in the mountains of southwestern China number the most variety in today's China. Especially noteworthy would be Yunnan Prov, i.e., the original habitation of ancient Nan-zhao & Da-li statelets. Yunnan Prov was in possession of 26 groups, and specific to Yunnan Prov would be about 16 groups. Yi-zu's ancestor would be Wu-man (i.e., black barbarian); Bai-zu's ancestor would be Bai-man (i.e., white barbarian); Dai-zu's or Thai ancestor would be Jin-chi-man (i.e., gold teeth barbarian), Yin-chi-man (i.e., silver teeth barbarian), Hei-chi-man (i.e., black teeth barbarian) and Mang-man; Bulang-zu and De'ang-zu belonged to Pu-zi-man; Wa-zu belonged to Wang-man; A'chang-zu belonged to Xunchuan-man; Jingbo-zu belonged to Luo-xing-man (i.e., nude body barbarian); Naxi-zu belonged to Mo-xie-man; Lisu-zu belonged to Shi-man and Shun-man; and Hani-zu belonged to He-man. (Here, Bai or Wu has nothing to do with the color of the skin, and both groups belonged to Sino-Tibetan Di[1]-Qiang[1] people.) Zhan Quanyou further grouped Dai-zu under Bai-yue or Hundred Yue Family; Bulang-zu, De'ang-zu and Wa-zu under Bai-pu or Hundred Pu[2] Family; A'chang-zu, Jingbo-zu, Naxi-zu, Lisu-zu, Bai-zu, Yi-zu and Hani-zu under Di[1]-Qiang[1] Family.

Also dwelling in Yunnan would be the following ethnic groups: Lahu-zu, Pumi-zu, Nu-zu (nu meaning angry, and a river was named Nu-jiang, too), Dulong-zu (i.e., one eye dragon), and Jinuo-zu. Other ethnic groups in Yunnan that span across provinces would be Zang-zu (Tibetan), Hui-zu (Muslim), Miao-zu (the same 'miao' character as SanMiao), Zhuang-zu, and Yao-zu. Separately, the provinces of Guizhou, Guangxi, Guangdong, Hunan and Sichuan harbored numerous other ethnic groups. In Guizhou Prov could be found Shui-zu (water), Gelao-zu, and Buyi-zu, in addition to cross-border groups like Miao-zu, Yi-zu, Dong-zu, Zhuang-zu, and Yao-zu. In Guangxi Prov could be found Mulao-zu, Maonan-zu, Jing-zu, in addition to cross-border groups like Miao-zu, Dong-zu, Zhuang-zu, and Yao-zu. (Jing-zu is the majority ethnic group in today's Vietnam.) Zhuang-zu and Yao-zu also dwelled in Guangdong and Hunan provinces. Zhan Quanyou cited one school of thought: the people dwelling to the west and northwest of Yunnan Prov, i.e., Tibetans, Yi-zu, Bai-zu, Hani-zu, Naxi-zu, Lisu-zu, and Lahu-zu, all belonged to the descendants of ancient Di-Qiang people linguistically, i.e., the Tibetan branch and Yi-zu branch of the Tibeto-Burman language family.

In the south and southeast, Hainan-dao Island possesses Li-zu minority. Fujian & Zhejiang provinces possess She-zu minority. Gaoshan-zu (high mountain ethnic group) would be in Fujian Prov & Taiwan Island.


TWO CULTURES: QIANGIC & HUNDRED YUE

Two lakes existed in Yunnan Prov: Erhai Lake & Dianchi Lake.

Zhan Quanyou's conclusion is that Yunnan Prov was a localized culture mixed up with the two groups of Hundred Yue people from southeast and Di[1]-Qiang[1] people from the northwest, respectively, and that Dali-Nanzhao statelets were the result of exchanges between two cultures of Erhai Lake to the west and Dianchi lake to the east. Per Scholar Zhang Zengqi, Erhai Lake culture of 3800 years ago, on basis of Carbon data, exhibited a typical rice planting culture that could be seen to the south of the Yangtze River, with agri-tools and rice traces etc, whereas the potteries, half-cave buildings and burial sites of this area shared similarities with Majiayao Culture of Qinghai Prov and Banpo Culture (i.e., Yangshao Culture) in Xi'an of Shaanxi Prov.

In Yunnan Prov, 3000-year-old stone carvings had been discovered, with totem-like pictures like snakes and lizards (i.e., dragon totem), birds (i.e., phoenix totem) and gourd (i.e., a plant similar to the shape of a woman's body that was often cited as the source of human creation by minority people like Wa-zu). Cangyuan area of Yunnan Prov was called Hulu-guo or Gourd Country in ancient times.


ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION TO DI-QIANG

Alternatively speaking, Scholar Zhang Zengqi stated that in ancient times, there existed two groups of people with husbandry and agriculture modes of life in Erhai area; that Kunming-man around Lanchangjiang River Valley, not the same as Di-Qiang nomadic people, were native husbandry people who entered Erhai Lake area in 12th century BC and later merged with Ailao-yi after Kunming-man were defeated by Nanzhao Statelet during Tang Dynasty time period; that part of Kunming-man would become later Wa-zu (Wabeng-zu) minority; that Siyu-man (aka Yeyu-man) were the native agriculture people in Erhai Lake area who later were relocated to Dianchi Lake by Nanzhao Statelet during Tang Dynasty time period; that Baopu-man, a group belonging to Khmers (i.e., Gao[high]Mian[cotton]) of Austroasiatic Language Family, entered Erhai area about 8th-6th century BC; that Bo-ren, who originally dwelled in eastern Yunnan Prov, would enter Erhai area about 1st-8th century AD and become later Bai-man (i.e., today's Bai-zu minority); and that Ailao-yi, ancestors of today's Yi-zu minority who originally dwelled in Yongchang and Ailao-shan Mountain area, would establish the Nan-zhao Statelet under the support of Tang Dynasty and Bai-man.


SOUTHERN MIGRATIONS TOWARDS INDOCHINA - KHEMERs & MONs

Ancient Khmers, said to be of Austroasiatic Language Family, for sure had migrated towards the land of today's Thailand in the south. What remained unsure would be whether it was related to the southwestern expansion by Qin/Han Chinese. http://www.khmerclub.com/History.htm claimed that the ancestors of Khmers "moved southward before 200 BC into the fertile Mekong delta from the Khorat Plateau of what is now Thailand". Thereafter, they were Indianized by successive waves of Indian influence [Funan's legend of creation by marriage of an Indian Brahmin Kaundinya to an indigenous "naga" princess] and ... were exposed to Indo-Malayan influences [Java's conquest of Chenla]...More Indian influence [ANGKOR period A.D. 889-1434] ... followed by migrations of Tai [Siam] peoples from the 10th to the 15th century [Dali King, Duan Zixing, surrendered to the Mongols in AD 1253], by a Vietnamese [Champa] migration beginning in the 17th century, and by Chinese migrations in the 18th and 19th centuries. Khmers' move into the Mekong Delta before 2nd century BC, however, might have cut off the contacts between Dravidians left in Champa of Vietnam and Indian Subcontinent, in my opinion. In the Mekong Delta already existed a statelet called Funan as recorded in Chinese Chronicles of 2nd century AD, a maritime state with same commercial importance as Champa in acting as a stopover for Arabs/Romans and Chinese. Funan was later conquered by its vassal, i.e., Chenla ("Kambuja" by Khmer), which was said to be a "more direct ancestor of the Khmer Empire" per http://spirit.dos.uci.edu/cambo/knowledge/history.html in 7th century AD. Defeated by Java, Prince Jayavarman II of Chenla served hostage at the Java court and returned to become king of a later Angkor Empire in 790 AD. Zhenla or Chang-la, spelled Zhenla in Mandarin, was recorded in Chinese chronicles to be a country where male population were small in size but dark in skin, some females were said to have lighter skin, and the Chang-la people all had curly hair.

There is a good possibility that ancient Mon people were related to the ancient Khmers. Mons were said to have occupied the central plain (Menam Delta) and northern highland of modern Thailand and Burma, while the Khmers in Cambodia and Laos. Both Mon and Khmer were grouped under the same language branch. From 6th century AD onward, Mon had developed a culture with a lot of import from Buddhism and Sanskrit and were said to have diffused the Indian culture to the Khmers. Sanwiched between the Khmer Kingdom of Angkor Wat and the Thai from Southern China, the Mon territory shrank into Southern Burma. When the Burmese rose to power in Pagan in 11th century, the Mon sufferred further oppression from the Burmese. By the 18th century, Burmese Ruler U Aungzeya destroyed the last remaining Mon stronghold and massacred innumerable Mon people.


VIETNAMESE

Vietnamese, the equivalent of Jing-zu minority in China's Guangxi Prov, certainly have their ancestry in the same place that we are to explore below. Vietnamese, from the perspective of geography, should belong to the ancient Hundred Yue family.

Among the non-Chinese statelets to the south 2000 years ago would be the Nan-Yue or Southern Yue Statelet led by Zhao Tuo, an ex-Qin general with the title of 'wei' or captain for Nanhai (i.e., southern sea) Commandary. History recorded that altogether 500,000 people, consisting of the disgraced men and the merchants, were relocated to southern China by Qin Shihuangdi. After the demise of Qin, Zhao Tuo united the commandaries of Guilin, Nanhai, and Xiang-jun and declared his kingdom Nan-yue. The kingdom of Nan-Yue continued under Zhao Tuo and his successors for almost a hundred years until it was reconquered by the armies of Emperor Wudi in 111 BC.

The people of Vietnam was an interesting group. They differ from today's Burmese and Thai people who were descendants of the Nan-Zhao/Da-li refugees. They have a good mixture of Chinese and Austro heritage. The reason I said Vietnam was restricted to the northern part of today's Vietnam is that there existed many statelets in today's southern and central Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Chinese history recorded that the people living to the south of Vietnamese, in both Linyi (Champa) and Funan, possessed curly hair, a Negroid characteristic that has more to do with Dravidians of India. History of Northern Dynasties mentioned that the people of Linyi possessed relatively deep-socket eyes and higher nose bridge, which further supported the previous claim that the ancient people of southern Vietnam were Indians. History of Sui Dynasty stated further that the people of Linyi (Champa) possessed dark skin and curly hair, and that after first Sui Emperor Yangdi conquered Southern Chen Dynasty in AD 589, Linyi sent in tributes. Linyi stopped tributes till Sui armies, led by General Liu Fang, attacked them in AD 604. (Sui Emperor, in addition to attacking Linyi, had invaded Ryukyu.) According to History of Sui Dynasty, further to the southwest of Linyi (Champa) would be a statelet called Zhenla (Chang-la or Chenla), a vassal of Funan. Zhenla (Chang-la) male population were recorded to be small in size but dark in skin, but some females were said to have lighter skin. Chang-la people all had curly hair. To the west of Zhenla (Chang-la) would be a statelet called Zhu-jiang, and to the south Che-qu. Numerous statelets existed further, with rulers carrying Indian names. It is no strange to see this phenomenon when we examined the history of southeast Asia as a whole to find that Indian influence had spread across the whole area much before the Chinese poked their nose in the same area.


CONCLUSION

Southern China or southwestern China were always the land of Bai-yue or Hundred Yue Family, Bai-pu or Hundred Pu[2] Family, Di[1]-Qiang[1] Family, & Austroasiatic Family of Khemers/Mons. Only in Champa and Cambodia did we observe Java-Malay people, Dravidians and Indians.

[Sohan]

Linzi mtDNA study: http://www.racearchives.com/archived...D=136409938336

[Armelius]

You come to false conclusions because you have false premisis.

Fact: the only race on earth is dna.

There maybe variants of dna but even in a so called race a hmong person may have more in common with a blonde blue eyed caucasoid than their own fairly distant living hmong.

Eue Claire, Wisconsin has the most hmong in the US. Nearly all of these hmong are short dark hair and slightly vietnamese looking. If you see the hmong in Los Angeles they are taller and more chinese looking (not fair to classify all of one country as chinese, but lets say features you would encounter in Bejing but with darker complexions.

As with the world as you travel from one place to another the features in people start to change too. More people in New York look like Guiliani than in Des Moines, but today as in days of old as people traveled more they also traded their features for the locals.

For instance the chinese no longer believe they will war successfully with western nations and now believe they will just absorb them in a similar way the Romans assimilated their satellite countries, but without the Roman ways.

[countryboy]

[quote]Originally posted by Armelius
Armelius
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Registered: Oct 2003
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Looks like you are a prolific writer who had become a senior member by posting 212 ramblings.

Let's get to the core of your arguments.


>>>>>>>>>>>the only race on earth is dna.

Good call. http://mbe.oupjournals.org/cgi/conte...tract/20/2/214, an article about the new research paper by Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, stated that "The reanalysis of two previously published ancient mtDNA population data sets from Linzi (same province) then indicates that the ancient populations had features in common with the modern populations from south China rather than any specific affinity to the European mtDNA pool".

Prof Wei Chu-Hsien, in <i>China & America</i>, had research into 'bat cave' drawings on Taiwan Island and concluded that ancient Taiwan aboriginals had migrated there from coastal China.


>>>There maybe variants of dna but even in a so called race >>>a hmong person may have more in common with a blonde >>>>blue eyed caucasoid than their own fairly distant >>>>living hmong.


Ar you a Hmong or nor? Like prober who started this thread, or whoever followed through with creepy color theories?

Why don't you go to the hospital to do a blood test to determine your "Y chromosomes" if you are a male or "mtDNA" if you are a female?

I would be interested in your giving me an explanation for where you got your color, your father or your mother?

To know why some Hmongs got their color, you may want to know the genocide by Spanish Conquistadors
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/genes/p...on/proof.shtml to know why in today's Colombia, Iberian Y chromosomes and Amerindian mtDNA are the prevalent components.



>>>>Eue Claire, Wisconsin has the most hmong in the US. >>>>Nearly all of these hmong are short dark hair and >>>>slightly vietnamese looking. If you see the hmong in >>>>Los Angeles they are taller and more chinese looking >>>>(not fair to classify all of one country as chinese, >>>>but lets say features you would encounter in Bejing but >>>>with darker complexions.

The only logical explanation would be that different Hmongs had come from different origins in the first place. They clustered together as a clan, and each clan exhibited a particular traits.


>>>>As with the world as you travel from one place to >>>>another the features in people start to change too. >>>>More people in New York look like Guiliani than in Des >>>>Moines, but today as in days of old as people traveled >>>>>more they also traded their features for the locals.

Extrapolating on your argument, then you may want to say White Americans should already have looked exactly like American Indians 400 years later, today.

Or is it because the ancestors killed off American Indian Men and American Indian Women to the extent that they could no longer look alike???

>>>>For instance the chinese no longer believe they will >>>>war successfully with western nations and now believe >>>>they will just absorb them in a similar way the Romans >>>>assimilated their satellite countries, but without the >>>>Roman ways.


There is no such thing as we Chinese conspiring to assimilate White men as an alternative to warring with them. For 150 years, we Chinese men had always been treated as "coolies", not much better than African slaves. I am writing up a new section entitled coolies at http://www.uglychinese.org/coolie.htm You will see how we were treated before. And, today, we Chinese men are still studious people, with no desire for fighting back or getting even. Majority of us do not even think about "assimilating" White women, believe me.

In another word, we are a "wife giver" tribe, while the White men are a "wife taker" tribe. The reasons that White men and Asian women did get get together would be many folds: Fundamentally, White men like small women for "SEX". No doubt about it. In 1943, Mary E. Dillon pointed out that "Mme Chiang Kai-shek captivated Americans with her small Asian woman body". Clearly, White women, like Mary Dillon, only understood one side of the coin as to the fundamental cause of White men's sensual captivation with smallness of Asian women, with the other side certainly being the female "obsequiousness" and "sycophancy". With the two elements on two sides combined, you now have the phenomenal growth of "White men & Asian Women" matter, which always hurts the Asian community in family breakdowns and moral decay. Also remember Portuguese specialized in selling Chinese women and Chinese girls overseas as sex slaves throughout the latter half of 19th century. This is an ongoing game often disguised in various forms. One excuse used during 1960s-1980s, for the marriages between Chinese women and Jewish men, would be paraphrased like this: Because Chinese women and Jewish men were both discriminated in America, the two parties hence formed a bond. It all depends on whether you see it superficially or in essence.

[Farang]

According to my own study, racial differentiation have arisen due to human migration that happened around 300,000 years ago. You may all know that human race had been existed as a single group in sub-Shahran Africa. Those ancient human race migrated throughout Africa and eventually crossed Sahara and reached Sinai peninsula, the landbridge that connects the Middle East and Africa. (It is believed that, at the time, Sahara Desert was a jungle) At the time, the Asia Minor (current Turkey), was blocked with huge mountain ranges covered with ice and snow.

Consequently, humans migrated through the Middle East to the East (current Iran). Then migrated tot the north where they ended up in Central Asia, and India. The central Asians became demi-caucasoid like in terms of appearance. Centuries later, the half of the group crossed the Urals and migrated to the West, where current Europe lies and the other half to east to Siberia. The migration root was then divided into two, one heading into China and the other to upper Asia, to Mongolia and ultimately to the Far East Asia. The group that had taken en route to Mongolia then divided into another group, which headed to North America through Beiring Straight. The group that went to China diversified into many migrating groups. Settling in many areas of China, the present GhwangZhou, the Shandong, Yunnam, and finally into Indochina and Tibet.

Many generations later, the ice that covered almost the 1/3 of landmass were gone and civilizations arose in Africa and Middle East and Asia.

Asian histroy:

The groups that remained in Mongolia and Central Asia became nomads, who constantly moved around the plains herding sheeps, horses and other livestocks. In contrast, the migratory groups that settled in China, became farmers due to the geograpahical reason. Around the time, migration into East was kept followed and one of the central Asian groups settled around the current Andong peninsula, who are identified as a the anscestors of Koreans but there is no remaining record of that. (Chinese historians have been rejecting the idea) C

oncurrently, Shang dynasty was established around the northern HuangHe (yellow river). The two countries arose almost at the same time and they became warring states until Koreans were defeated and driven to the east to the Korean peninsula and Manchuria by First Han dynasty. There are many legends about Chinese civilizations even before 2300 B.C, "The era of 10 Great Emperors and 6 Wise Kings" something like this, however, the record seemed not to have survived.

Meantime, Aryans, who were driven to the south from Central Asia, invaded India. At the time, India was mainly occupied by ingenunous Dravidians (Tamils etc INDUS VALLEY), Dravidians were driven to the south of India. The Aryans then set up a Caste system in order to distinguish between the conquerors and conquered people.

Three thousand years ago, mainland China were consisting of many races. West Chinese, South Chinese, South East Chinese, and Northern Chinese who spoke different languages, entirely different cultures, and similar but different lookings. The First Han Empire (1500B.C), the second(?) kingdom that unified China, absorbed and unified different cultures and languages, alphabets(?) that existed in China. This is the period when Chinese people started to acknowledg themselves as single race.

Meantime, Koreans, did mix with lots of other groups. Mainly, Manchurians, East Mongolians,indigenous inhabitants of Korean peninsula and Chinese people. Koreans settled around Manchuria, Korean peninsula. They had three kindgom era (500B.C~700A.D), which two small countries situated around nowaday's South Korea, and the other which occupied north Korean peninsula and much of Manchuria. In 600s A.D, Chinese (Tang) "helped" Koreans to unify into one by Kingdom of Silla.

Before the massive migration by Koreans, and Chinese, Japanese Island was mainly populated by indigenous island people (no record survives).Jomons?) By 600 A.D, the actual Japanese civilization started to develop, and by 1500 A.D, Japan was unified into single country. The Japanese boundary consisted of mainly Kyushu, Honshu, Tsuhima, and the other islands. Ainu "habitats" were limited to Hokkaido and the Sakhalins. Around 1700s, Japanese started to immigrate into Hokkaido and mingled with Ainus. Around 1850s, Japan invaded Ryushuu Islands and made it as one of their protectorates, (Formosa=Taiwan).

Meanwhile, Turkish tribe in central Asia began to migrate into the Middle East. Ancient Persian armies (2000B.C), retained several nomad troops, who are identified as Turkish, and other central tribes recruited as mercenaries. By 1000, Turkish formed their own state in current Turkey, after crushing Byzantines and Islamic kingdom in Persia. However, many Islamic states, and Seljuks were defeated in turn by Mongolian invaders around 1150s led by Genghis Khan.

The Turks played major role in World Histroy in post-Mongolian period (1300), another powerful Turkish empire was set up in Constatninople, which was renamed as Istanbul. The Ottoman Turks (1300~1920) conquered all of North Africa, Iberian peninsula, and the rest of Middle East.

Well, Indians remained in Indian subcontinent. They didn't have much impact on world history, except the invention of Buddhism or Hinduism. However, they have greatly influenced development of Indochinese civilizations, passing out Buddhism and Hindu cultures to them.

The migrated Central Asians became the ancestors of many Far East Asians, mainly Mongolians, Manchurians, Koreans, Northern Chinese. (Strangely, Turkish people call Koreans as their brother) However, Manchurians, Japanese and Chinese have been mixed up with other races throughout the history that their looks would have changed over the centuries. (Mongolians, Koreans still retain their lookings somehow) Also note that many Chinese immigrated into Indochina, South East Asian countries.

By 500 B.C the Han Dynasty were able to defeat northern Huns who frequently invaded into China. (the "archtype" of Huns were Huangzhis, there is also legendary history behind it, which might not have survived,") Han army chased off the nomadic warriors to the West. Huns abosorbed many other warring nomads on the process of journey to the west. Eventually they reached Sarmatia (south of Russia) and invaded Hungary. The leader of Huns then was Attila who frequently attacked Roman Empire from the north.

Tibetans absorbed Buddhism and created their own version of it called Lamaism. (Genghis Khan adhered the idea and thus brought it into Mongolia as well)

Evaluation:

There is a small possiblity, that those Caucasians who are found in Hokkaido were remnants of a group of European caucasians traveling backward from their original ancestry route deep into Siberia. (though very small number of them) They might have crossed Beiring Straights, as there is context that Caucasian bones are also found in North America (excluding Vikings), though I'm not sure of its validity.

Well, I don't really believe that there was actually Caucasian kindoms in China even before the Chinese civilizations; the idea seems to be very incoherent and invalid and might be only favored by some people ...

I hope my "essay" would help some of u who are interested in Chinese histroy n peace...

[TheBoy]

thats alot of asian stuff on a russian web site. well anyway. ive noticed that a couple of hmong people have posted so ill do the same. were the only people in asia that have naturally blond hair. our history isnt too clear. no one actually knows where we came from or what we really are. well maybe god but we cant get him to tell us. there are stories about us coming from icy snow covered mountains and others that are more fantasy based. theres even one story about us being the lost hebrew tribe. i dont know what to believe anymore but im still trying to find something that tells me who we really are. i dont care if were originally white europeans. i just wanna find out the truth. all i know is that we got pushed around alot in history and alot of us were killed. its been killing me inside for years becuase i didnt and still dont what we really are. sigh... we may never know.

[countryboy]

In China's Shang Dynasty 1765 BC - 1122 BC, there were legends about their ancestors, including a king called Hai, i.e., Wang-hai.

Record claimed that King Wang-hai was killed in the You-yi-guo territory while herding sheep and buffalo, with no mention of "horse raising" or "horseback warrior" whatsoever.

Should there be no horse-herding or horse riding prior to 1765 BC, then there would definitely be no horse related nomadic way of life in the earlier dynasty or Xia or even earlier, like the era of three soverigns.

There was a common erroreous claim in regards to "nomadic" or "mobile" nature of Huangdi the Yellow Overlord on basis of Sima Qian's SHI JI, i.e., historian's records. We could conclude that China's ancient overlord Huangdi would not have anything to do with "horse raising" or "horseback warrior" of the steppe people hundred years earlier than Shang King Wang-hai. And, we could refuted the claim that Huangdi people had any link to Altaic people.

Ancient classics claimed that lord Huangdi used jade for weapons; China's Xia Dynasty possessed the weapons using copper and built citadels; Shang Dynasty the bows; and Zhou Dynasty the chariots. That is the evolutionary stages of early China. I don't see any outsider influences on China.

And, since prehistory, Qiangic people, i.e., ancestors of Tibetans, had shielded China from the West. Later Huns or Turks were more likely offsprings of Qiangic peoples.

As to Southeastern Asian peoples, they were the blends of Qiangic people and Hundred Yue people. The word 'Yue' meant for stone axe in Chinese. In the viewpoint of Luo Xianglin, Yue people were offshoots of Xia people because they shared the same stone axe tools. Again, I don't see any migration to southeast Asia from anywhere else other than China itself.