Russia Forums Community


Go Back   Russia.com Discussion Forum > Culture > History
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 25th August 2000, 02:01
Dr_Woland Dr_Woland is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 1,121
Talking

>> and the German attack took them unawares and by surprise? <<

I'm not sure if this is "right", but it is certainly the usual theory given. Stalin was holding the (secret) Molotov-Ribbentropf Pact at the time, and believed that the Germans would honour their word in this "non-aggression" treaty. Consequently, he did not make any preparations for the possibility of attack by the Reich.

It's said that when he received news that the German army had crossed the USSR border, instead of acting, he went on a chaotic drinking-binge for 3 days, unable to believe the mistake he had made - and for three critical days, decisions were made without him, or not taken at all.

The Molotov-Ribbentropf Pact - although widely known in the West - was only admitted-to officially by the USSR in the Gorbachev era, nearly 40 years later, when the USSR officially apologised to the Baltic States for what happened as a result.

Dr W.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 25th August 2000, 03:57
B_Ungaro
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Talking

Greetings Michael B.
I wonder if you have any information on the Battles near Voronez on the Don. I am an American who was born in Hungary. The Second
Hungarian Army was destroyed in and around
Voronez. The time table corresponds with the
armored battles in and around Kursk. Very little information is available on this. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Good Luck.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 25th August 2000, 06:27
oca oca is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 607
Cool

Dear Mr. Ungaro:

May I assist you with some information regarding the battle where the Hungarian, Romanian and Italian armies were deployed?

"The enemy (Russians) have suffered enormous losses in men an materiel" said Hitler, and because of this the battle that covered a movement from Kursk on the Don to Voronezh was effected by the German Army Group "South" who moved down river to meet with the German 6th Army, and on and on and on. This was a sound battle plan, but Hitler repeatedly departed from the original plan, whose results are well known to historians and where the Hungarians lost a a great deal (including the Romanian and Italian armies). The report on this battle is very substantial, if you want me to, I can write-up a summary and e-mail it to you.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 25th August 2000, 06:31
B_Ungaro
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Talking

Greetings OCA,
I would greatly appreciate it. My E-mail address is: heibill@aol.com
Thank you in advance.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 25th August 2000, 22:54
rodneymackinnon rodneymackinnon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 56
Talking

Harish, I'm no WWII scholar, but I do think US & UK books are more than a little biased of course. We did play a pivotal role in the European Theater, but I remember reading something about how the Russian Army killed almost ten times as many Germans as the Allies combined. This fact is rarely mentioned in our history books. Hitler's biggest mistake was tangling with the Bear at the wrong time.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 6th September 2000, 21:16
harish harish is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 11
Talking

Greetings,
Stalins defeat of Hitler on the Don flank was strikingly similar to his victory against General Denikin by exploitng his weak flanks along the don.
your reactions,
harish
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 7th September 2000, 05:54
oca oca is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 607
Wink

Harishi:

Just a little note to your posting:

Stalin nor Hitler ever participated personally in any action in the Don front. You may like to rephrase your posting, to clear things a bit.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT +3. The time now is 07:16.

All Rights Reserved © 1995 - | NewMedia Holdings, Inc. The Russia Channel is operated under license to Paley Media, Inc. which is solely responsible for its content. All trademarks and web sites that appear throughout this site are the property of their respective owners. No part of this site shall be reproduced, copied, or otherwise distributed without the express, written consent of Paley Media, Inc. This site is not affiliated with any government entity associated with a name similar to the site domain name.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC4 © 2006, Crawlability, Inc.