Which Country made the best WW2 tank

[Ritterkreuz]

The best tanks in the world was in Nazy Germany. The Panzers was superior to the opposition, including the those in Russia.

The Panther I&II was better to the T-34,KV-1 and IS-2 Stalin. Better long higher muzzle velocity gun with superior penetrating capability; Panther Ausf G with 75 mm, F with longer 75mm, 88 and 105 mm Gun/Panther II 128 mm. Ammos was developed to counter any threat in the future. Equipped with state of the art sighting telescope(range finder Panther II) and night infra-red device and using better steel of armor with excellent welding technic prove to be unequal. Although the Engine works with gas instead of Diesel, high power from it gave the Panther(700 hp, Panther II 900 hp) superb mobility. Armor protection was increased between each version so they could always stays aheads over its competitors. The Panther was developed without taking ideas from Russian T-34, except for the slope armor, while Russia took ideas from Germans wider turrets accomadation for 3-4 crews(Russian Commander no longer have to aim and fire the gun because another could do this instead and keep concentrated on the situation and radio field equipement to keep contact while progressing and to coordinate attack on the battlefield).

The Tiger 1&2 and the others E-50,E-75,E-100,Maus,Ratte... were also vastly superior to the Allies and Russian tanks.

[vorosilov]

The best tank was produced in largest quantity,

Was the T - 34.

You right saying that the Tiger was the best. But the Germans didn't have more than 400 at any given time during WW2. They had to move them back and forth.
T-34 was more mobile and had longer range and higher speed.
At Kursk the Tigers were simply out manovered.

One on one the Tiger was superior to the T-34. But the T-34 was good enough to do the job what it was suppose to do.
According to armoured warfare no tanks should have been sent agains each other.
The Russian artillery with the 88 high velocity anti aircraft guns could take the Panther and the Tiger out of action. And we all know that the Russian artillery was the best in WW2.

[Ritterkreuz]

Originally posted by vorosilov

The best tank was produced in largest quantity,

Was the T - 34.

**i don't only mean in large quantity but in quality too, which in the latter, Russia was far in late.

You right saying that the Tiger was the best. But the Germans didn't have more than 400 at any given time during WW2. They had to move them back and forth.

**False, in Zitadel and Ardenne offensive, the Germans had more than 400 tanks in action during Zitadel(2700 G vs 3500? S and in the Ardenne, 1000 for the Germans)

T-34 was more mobile and had longer range and higher speed.

**yes, but the Panther was better with superior armor plate and Gun. Only in the range the T-34 far better cuz of diesel engine instead of gas.

At Kursk the Tigers were simply out manovered.

**Nevertheless they did a find job with the aid of artilleries and dive bombers and Pak guns, even crak experts demolition tanks teams did a good job; altogether they managed to destroyed thousands Russian tanks and other armoured vehicle. They were near of VICTORY but Soviets reinforcement came again!

**German Tiger1: Comrades, We have a perfect weapon, it will not be an attack, it will be the hunt for Ivans”
- Major Von Legat, commander of Schwere Panzer Abteilung 501.




One on one the Tiger was superior to the T-34. But the T-34 was good enough to do the job what it was suppose to do.


"Wir werden Sieger - durch unsren Tiger"
(We will be victorious - thanks to our Tigers)

**Yes, attack and be destroyed in thousands upon thousands. Think about those mens who died. Russian T-34's production rose around 40 000, and a great number on those were destroyed during the war like the American Sherman.

**Russian T-34 reports “Gunner: They look like Tigers, but they are not. Maybe Panthers ?,
Commander: Fire! And do not ask them about their family name.”
- Intercom communication in T-34-85.


The Russian artillery with the 88 high velocity anti aircraft guns could take the Panther and the Tiger out of action.

**yeah, if they take somes Pak 43 88mm L/71 or Flak 41 and employed them against the Germans of course.

And we all know that the Russian artillery was the best in WW2.

**humm humm... i think you're wrong again, Germany artillery was ahead of Russia; Bigger guns, with longer range and firepower. From 105mm to 356mm for the Heer, Coastal up to 406mm and on the railroads with the superb 283mm Leopold and the Awesome 800mm Gustave. Even the mortar Karl with his 600mm is quite extraordinary. Only in number Russia again takes the lead. GERMANY made the best pieces of ARTILLERY during WW2.


Germany 800 mm Gun( 7,1 tons AP shell and 4,8 tons explosive shell.) Range 48 000 meters.

[Edited by Ritterkreuz on 26th August 2002 at 07:34]

[vorosilov]

Hello Ritter,

Why was then that the Russians beat the Germans at Kursk in the summer of 1943?
At this time of the yar the Germans couldn't complain about the snow and the cold. It was a hot-hot summer. I remember like yesterday.

[ILay]

There was not just one 'best tank'

British A34 'Comet' and 'Valentine'
Rrussian light tank T70 and T34
Jupaneese 'Ha-go' 'Ke-ri' and '90'
German tigers and 'Die Maus' of Ferdinand Porsche.

Russian t-34 were easier in production, more economical and more taylor type produced. Don't forget that the Germans copied the Russian technologies in tank building. Heinz Guderian with a group of specialists spent weeks in Kharkov 'locomotive production plant' as early as 1933. The plant was producing BT-2 and BT-5 at the time. Capable of producing the speed of 100 kmh. The plant normal production capability was 22 tanks a day. Hitler started the war with 3195 tanks. Or, 145 days of the job of just one factory. Add to this the spare parts - Germans had to hold massive stock. Russians could even use the airplane engines for the tanks (like M-5 engine for BT7)

[vorosilov]

The French had some great tanks too.

But the best tank produced in great numbers were the T-34.
It remained in service long after WW2.

[Ritterkreuz]

Originally posted by vorosilov

Hello Ritter,

Why was then that the Russians beat the Germans at Kursk in the summer of 1943?
At this time of the yar the Germans couldn't complain about the snow and the cold. It was a hot-hot summer. I remember like yesterday.

Hi Vorosilov,

Because Russia knew the plan of German attack and prepare the field for the oncoming event, btw she was well dug in and thousands of mines was spread on the field. Russia was equipped with vast number of all military equipements and personels.

The Germans had some problem of fiability with the new Panther being deployed, so when the attack came and it was firstly start by Russia, then the German take some time to get ready before lunching their own attack. With many Panther broke down(cuz the engine, and exaust) many which never reach the front, I will said that this battle was remarkably a tactical victory for Germany but strategically one for Russia; with the exhaustion of all German equipment they had.

Plus don't forget they fought on two front against two great country(USA,RUSSIA)plus Great Britain, who can mobilize altogether more than 180 000 tanks, with the bombing of their industrial plants, they could no longer make numerous tanks and other equipments making them vulnerable. Germany was a small country badly prepared for WW2 cuz VERSAILLE TREATY; it's why they fascinated me, they managed to fulfil their jobs which no other country in the World in all time could have done(some examples: the STUG destroyed more than 20 000 Russia armor during the war and the total score of the Das Reich Division for the war was 3000 enemy tanks destroyed ). In fact war came to soon for Germany; if it was in 1941-42 things would have change.