Let's talk only history and politics without insults and dreams

[hamsi]

Hello everybody,

I just want to start a new thread about real history and connect it to the realities of todays world. Without any dreams and insults. I claim that I know Turkic history well.
I see the mistakes in Turkic history but also I am aware of its great background.

I am in love with Asian history. I know that the highest civilization which really inspired todays modern world was the "Indian History". I know that 99% of the world is ignorant about history. However if you want to solve the puzzles of todays Asian world you have to start from the ancient times and follow the centuries one by one.

The biggest political mistake of today is accusing each other because of atrocities in the past.

Free Kavkaz, Free Crimea, Free Kurdistan, Free Altai, etc... are only bullsh-its and have nothing with the reality.

People think that being Turk means being a citizen of Turkey. this is false. Turkey has the heritage of Ottoman Empire. Everyone thinks that Ottoman Empire was Turkic. This is the biggest mistake while uttering the word "Turk" was strictly prohibited in the Ottoman Palace starting from the so-called Magnificient Suleiman. Ottomans were maybe Turkic in their early years but never Turkic as an Empire or a Khanate.
Turkic people were the target of some sultans.
Turkic people living in the eastern zone of turkey hate Ottoman Sultans and Pashas still today.

There are millions of Turkic people living in the territories of Russia. Those Turks are real Turks while people of Turkey are mostly not real Turkic people.

Russians and Turkic people faught a lot in the history but now they know each other well.
If the idiot government of Turkey and the idiot government of Russia can see the fact that Turkic and Russian people have shared many things in common and still sharing, all the ethnic and many politic and economic problems will be solved.

They must look for political and economical unifications.
They have to change their constitutions from nationalist BS to the realities of modernization.

Are you brave enough to discuss all these things with me in a mature discussion without any insults and dreams but with the historical facts and reality?

Best Regards,
hamsi

[Edited by hamsi on 16th September 2002 at 17:17]

[vorosilov]

Yes I am Hamsi,

But why do I have to be brave to do so? Who is a dreamer?

Tell me please, what the Turkish and the Russian people shared?.

Best Regards: Vorosilov

[1-0_to_the_Arsenal]

Vorosilov he said Turkic & Russian, not Turkish. Are they not sharing large bits of Central Asia at the moment?

As for Asia, has anybody carried out DNA tests to study how closely related people in Asia are? Like Uyghurs and Azeris and Uzbeks, compared to Tajiks, Iranians, etc. It's just that there are so many arguments about ethnicity on these forums I wondered if any biologists have done any studies.

[Stelios]

Your knowledge of history, is non extant. All you know is polticized Pan-Turanist crap.

Hamsi go to soc.history.ancient, http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...istory.ancient

and spout your politicized crap about Greeks being a Roman invention, the Slavicness of Alexander and see what they say. Most of the people posting there are not Greek. You will see what your knowledge of history is when they flame you to hell. I know you will not do this as you know all you know is politicized cow droppings.

The Turks you sad pan-Turanist originated in Siberia above Mongolia. The Turkish tribes entered Central Asia invaded and usurped Iranic speaking nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes. The Scythians were Iranian speaking according to most historians and not Turks as you foolishly believe.

[KLange]

Originally posted by Stelios
Your knowledge of history, is non extant. All you know is polticized Pan-Turanist crap.

Hamsi go to soc.history.ancient, http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...istory.ancient

and spout your politicized crap about Greeks being a Roman invention, the Slavicness of Alexander and see what they say. Most of the people posting there are not Greek. You will see what your knowledge of history is when they flame you to hell. I know you will not do this as you know all you know is politicized cow droppings.

The Turks you sad pan-Turanist originated in Siberia above Mongolia. The Turkish tribes entered Central Asia invaded and usurped Iranic speaking nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes. The Scythians were Iranian speaking according to most historians and not Turks as you foolishly believe.

Actually, Stelios, I think that "Scythian" may have been a generic term used by the Greeks to refer to the various peoples of the modern-day Ukraine and points east. For all we know, there was never any single people known as Scythians, but a number of different ones. Some Iranic, but maybe others weren't.

[KLange]

Originally posted by KLange

Actually, Stelios, I think that "Scythian" may have been a generic term used by the Greeks to refer to the various peoples of the modern-day Ukraine and points east. For all we know, there was never any single people known as Scythians, but a number of different ones. Some Iranic, but maybe others weren't.

By the way, the Anantolian Turks are Turkic, they're just genetically mixed to perhaps a good degree. The various Turkic peoples (Seljuks, Osmanlis, etc) who settled there intermarried with the Greek, Armenians, and other peoples.

[AJat]

Hi All,

Do any of you consider the Wusun or Epthalites as Turkish people? Regards,