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Old 9th May 2005, 06:15
Voyager13b Voyager13b is offline
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Mikeaverko,

By the way, the "reunification" angle is a fraud. Ukraine and Russia have taken slightly different directions over enough years to create a somewhat different language and culture. The current border between Ukraine and Russia was set a very long long time ago by uncle Joe and his gang. Since the time the population of Ukraine was crushed by it's Soviet masters, and the border between the Russian and Ukrainian Soviet Republics was established, no one seemed to complain. Now that the "umbrella" of the Soviet Union has been blown inside out by the winds of time, the border situation no longer suits you.

Oops. You can't have it both ways. By the way, the split between east and west Germany had nothing to do with the respective populations travelling different paths over time. It was one country that was brutally split in two by a Georgian Beast after the conclusion of WWII. Unlike the current situation between Ukraine and Russia, families were torn apart, and people were killed for the simple wish to travel across town. There is no comparison between the two at all. Germany was one country until Stalin split it in two without any representation from the German people. Ukraine was aleady Ukraine, through it's own will before the Soviets forced it into the union. Apples to oranges in my view.....

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Old 9th May 2005, 09:33
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You have been frank, so, let me reply in kind by acknowledging that you're really showing your ignorance on this topic.

Ukraine's current boundaries are Communist created, no ands, ifs or buts.

During the Russian Civil War, more Ukrainians sided with the Russian Whites, Skoropodsky or the Reds when compared to the Polish puppet Petlura. Petlura was the only one advocating separatism from Russia. The others (despite their differences) all favored a union between Russia and Ukraine.

Eastern and southern Ukraine have more in common with Russia than they do with western Ukraine and from a combined linguistic, religious and historical perspective, Russia has more in common with Kiev than does western Ukraine.

The Baltics were part of the USSR and were never formally recognized as such by the US. This example is one of many showing how what could be at one point in history isn't necessarily correct and-or permanent.

Along with many other Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians and some other formerly occupied (by the Soviets) peoples, I cherish the day when Russia is fully reunified. For I cherish a brotherhood among peoples unlike some misguided ethno nationalists who become tools for outside agitating divide and conquer enthusiasts like Anders Aslund of the CEIP.

Contrary to what you say, Ukraine acts very similar to Russia. Yushchenko is firing governors that didn't support him and replacing them with orange loyalists. His regime is only going after those oligarchs who politically opposed him. Frankly, Ukraine is a more extreme version (in the negative sense) of Russia.
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Old 9th May 2005, 10:33
Lembitu Lembitu is offline
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Wat means Russia will be fully united? As I see Russia is fully united. Only parts wich were occupyed are now separate.
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Old 9th May 2005, 23:10
mikeaverko mikeaverko is offline
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Ukraine (praticularly Donbas and Crimea), Belarus, Trans-Dniester, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the northern half of Kazakstan (southern Siberia) have strong Russocentric elements.

Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are linguistically, religiously and ethnically more inter-related than Scotland, England and Wales.
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Old 10th May 2005, 02:15
Mazepa Mazepa is offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by mikeaverko
Polls show that this has more popularity than the current president of Ukraine.

Up to 70% of Ukraine's population prefers to speak Russian.

And then there's something like this http://lenta.ru/world/2004/09/13/russian/
(transl. 40% of Ukrainians want Russian to be the second official language)
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Old 10th May 2005, 02:27
mikeaverko mikeaverko is offline
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Mazepa:

Yeah right!

Then why does anywhere from 50%-70% of Ukraine's population (more likely closer to the higher figure) speak Russian as the more preferred language?

That poll is on par with the drivel at another link about a multi-ethnic UPA consisting of Jews, Ukrainians and Armenians heroically fighting for freedom.
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Old 10th May 2005, 16:57
Lembitu Lembitu is offline
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Please explain me word: Russocentric elements?
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