Islam: A radicial religion?

[vlk]

Not only after Sep 11 some people expressed their concern that Islam is a radical religion, not tolerant to beliefers of other denominations. I am very much undecided about that viewpoint. E.g. Orthodox Jews in Israel as well have not been treating very gentle their Palestine neighbors - not to speak of the IDF invading at least temporarily Palestine soil. And the only superpower in the world also is pursuing their goals not only by means of Christian values. What do you think?

I am not talking politics, but am seriously interested in sincere answers. Thanks!!

[vlk]

Outsider / Insider

For some of you it may be an unforgivable sin. I have posted my issue(s) in a handful of discussion boards. The sincere intention of it being to assemble a picture of different viewpoints and believes. What I have been doing is to circumvent somehow the homogenity of intra-cultural discussion while simultaneously breaking in: insider or outsider . However, maybe you are interested in what people from other boards have been contributing; therefore the links to the several boards.

Best regards, vlk




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The Islam – a radical religion?

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[Spunky]

Originally posted by vlk
Not only after Sep 11 some people expressed their concern that Islam is a radical religion, not tolerant to beliefers of other denominations. I am very much undecided about that viewpoint. E.g. Orthodox Jews in Israel as well have not been treating very gentle their Palestine neighbors - not to speak of the IDF invading at least temporarily Palestine soil. And the only superpower in the world also is pursuing their goals not only by means of Christian values. What do you think?

I am not talking politics, but am seriously interested in sincere answers. Thanks!!

Hello Vik. To me, Islam IS a radical mainly because the so-called "peaceful" ones never speak out against their own radicals. At the same time that my (and other) countries accept them , they REFUSE to denounce their own wakkos. On your second question, the Palestinians strap bombs on their kids and brag about it. When have you seen a Jew or a Christian do that?

[Bunky]

vlk.

No! Islam is NOT a radical religion. Nor do I believe that there are ANY “established” radical religions in the world. There are certainly “radical elements” in Islam in the form of radical individuals but Islam should not be considered radical any more than Christianity should be called radical because of what’s been going on in Northern Ireland.

“Tolerance” (as you’ve also mentioned) is another thing entirely, however. Communal Islam should be tolerant of the existence of “other “ religions but I’m under the impression that Islam does not recognise non-Muslims as having the possibly of entering heaven.

If you take Islam, Christianity and Judaism, it is ONLY Judaism that allows other religious believers to come to heaven. That is to say that according to Judaism, ALL the people of the earth may come to heaven whereas Muslims and Christians believe that ONLY their people will come to heaven.

[old-reb]

I sat in my Southern Baptist church one Sunday morning to hear my preacher say that Cathloics won't go to heaven because they don't understand the bible.

I sat in a 5 man sunday school class and the preacher dropped by and we read one passage out of the bible and we came up with 4 different meanings. I was the only one that admitted to not understanding exactly what it was saying.

Everybody has an opinion on going to heaven or what a religion is all about. But when they come knocking down high rise buildigs and killing thousands I am sure that they are wrong and very wrong!!!
But most muslims think that knocking down the towers was the right thing to do. You see in the news everyday things like Muslims burning Hindus in train. Palestine terrorist. People being senteced to death for offending Muhammad or preaching Christanity. Sometimes Muslims just go out killing infidels. Do the math. Where they have power or enough people to start having power they start a war against the infidels. They sentenced Salmon Ruske to death for writing a book. Is that a peaceful religion? In Saudia Arabia they refused to allow children out of a burning school because their faces were not covered. Would any other religion do that to their own children?

old reb

[Bunky]

Reb.

vlk's question was not about what certain people believe nor was his question even regarding what percent of "so and so". It was strictly about what a religion stands for. ie. the "teaching of religion".

"Islam" does not teach murder. Religious fanatics (or deviants) do not come under the unbrella of "true teaching". The vast number of murderers and serial killers in the U.S. (for example) are "Christians" but that doesn't mean that Jesus professed such actions.

The problem in understanding the dilemna is that these "extremist Muslims" keep telling us that they are acting out Allah's wishes. We must realize that these people are deviants. Nothing more. If we read "our own" Bible, we will see much slaughter as well. How do we interpret that? Or a better question might be: How do others interpret "our Bible" and what do they think of us because of it?

NOTICE: Extremist Arabs want to convince the whole Islamic world to declare war on "us", the western world. But not all Mulsims are Arabs.

[Arkasha]

You guys need to distinguish between the modern Wahhabist, radical view of Islam versus moderate Islam. Wahhabis are the only ones you hear about, because they are by-and-large the ones committing the horrible acts of terrorism and the ones funding it.

Old-reb "...most muslims think that knocking down the towers was the right thing to do." Absolutely not. I would say "ALL" Wahhabis would, but not the vast majority, the moderate ones. I am not Muslim, but have spent a lot of time in muslim countries, and they ARE condemning this subculture of suicide/homicide terrorism, Spunky. Actually some of the most vocal and damning rebukes of this mutated version of Islam have come, in my experience, from other Muslims.... maybe they just don't have the forum to express it. True, many governments of muslim countries seem to us, rightly, insane for dodging the issue of condemning terrorism. But in most cases, governments don't always represent the feeling of real people.