They call THIS an "Army"???

[Balamut]

Let me post something smart

The US doesn't want war with Russia. We'd rather be friends. But Eyeradi is right. We've already helped kick Russia out of Afghanistan - or maybe you've forgotten. I know the Taliban forgot - and look what happened to them.

Just like we in Vietnam and Korea.

I bet at least half of the Russian troops would defect to the US side - if not more. You can't treat people like shyt endlessly and expect them to fight to keep it that way.

I bet diferently 100%

Humanbeing wrote:

the glory days of russia, 15 members of one family living in small apt. no one can own land. long food lines. oops, too late, come back tomorrow for a loaf of bread. wonderful glory days. everybody join party, have good time.

And what do you know about it?

Akhmetbek, say us your own experience. You was a soldier
in this "sh.ty" army.

But and I am not agree with Russki_Soldat. IMO it's not very good way to become a man.

And i will not be proving that not everything is so bad. That Russia have real army like 76 irborne division and such. because nobody cares about good things, right?

[old-reb]

Originally posted by Ronbo


Nope...Just a telling the truth about the former Soviet army, which looks alot like the New Russian Federal Army!!!

BTW, the U.S. Army during the Vietnam conflict nearly fell apart because of AWOLs, desertions, assassination of officers and NCOs, drug abuse, and so forth...Many of the same negative things that are happening to the contemporary Russian Army. In fact, I well remember a 1972 classified report that said that other than the Special Forces, airborne units and elite units like Military Intelligence, the American army was not ready for ground combat. Only one division -- the 82nd Airborne -- was considered fit for combat.

The major reason for this -- the report concluded -- was the draft, which every year placed in the ranks poorly motivated soldiers who wanted to be any other place besides the army...Also most of the criminal activity and drug abuse offenders were the draftees.

Another major problem was the low pay and benefits. I recall in the early 1970s that many military families were on food stamps because of the low pay...

So what the U.S. Army did improve the situation was to: End the draft (this happened in 1974), raise the pay and benefits (In most cases the pay check doubled), improve the training of officers and NCOs, improve the training of the enlisted soldiers, and began the weeding out of the alcoholics, drug abusers and sadists...

Thus by 1981 -- when Reagan became president -- the U.S. Army -- all proferssional and volunteer was well on its way to recovery -- and by 1990/91 could be called, "The new model Army" with professional officers, NCOs and privates who took pride in being, "The Best of the Best."

Therefore, if Russia is serious about military reforms, I would highly suggest that the Russian generals take a seriously look at U.S. military reforms of the 1970s...

Good info Ronbo; Soldat, we are not out to harm Russian army, only to encourage its change. The easiest thing is, is to do nothing and let the Youth of Russia be raped, beaten and murdered instead of rewarded aided and held in high esteem for puting their life on the line for mother Russia.

It was not easy for US army to change but change it did. Soldat, what feelings would you have if you went to defend your country and you were used as a slave, sex object and regularly beaten? Would you just say, "Thanks I needed that."? Would you send your son to such an army?

The army is a hard life and each soldier must be broken and rebuilt but in todays world we know that there are places you don't go without destorying the soldiers hope of ever re-entering society as a solid citizen.



Balamut,

That is a good point that Russia has some very good units and if they can have a few good divisions then why can't they use that experience to update the rag tags?

also Balamut wonders why we are only interested in the bad divisions of Russian Army---- We are focusing on what needs change.

old reb

[Balamut]

That is a good point that Russia has some very good units and if they can have a few good divisions then why can't they use that experience to update the rag tags?

also Balamut wonders why we are only interested in the bad divisions of Russian Army---- We are focusing on what needs change.

Your words and to general's ears...


>>>>>>Furthermore, concentrate on the "soldier per soldier" comment. The phrase does not imply "Russian soldier per enemy bullet", as happened in WWII.

mm?

>>>>>>Still, there's alot to be said for giving Russian soldiers incentives to sell their weapons, supplies, etc, as witnessed in Chechnya.

What is, that is and it's bad.

I also agree with Ronbo and Old-reb.

So, Akhmet, you see what was? But still I consider(and many other my friends) an American army an ARMY what was fighting and wining in Vietnam.


P.S You must take 5 to get the guy like this


[Edited by Balamut on 12th May 2003 at 22:58]

[VicBlack]

Well, considering that about half the population of Durham, NC alone are recently from Russia and other Eastern European countries, I think we can eventually become close friends.

It was refreshing to see that myself first hand. Apparently Russians, etc., don't hate America as much as Kal does, and that's a relief.

[humanbeing]

Originally posted by Balamut
Let me post something smart

Humanbeing wrote:

And what do you know about it?

i thought you were going to post something smart?

i work with a woman in her 50's from russia, that is HER story and i'm sure it's close to how many people lived under the great USSR. she has also told me that ate chicken that looked like it had TB and her mother would make it last a week.

i bet toy soldat never lived like that

[Balamut]

You'r not the onlyone who knows people in their 30/40/50/60 from ex-USSR. Don't you think?

[humanbeing]

Originally posted by Balamut
You'r not the onlyone who knows people in their 30/40/50/60 from ex-USSR. Don't you think?

are you trying to make a point besides looking stupid?

never claimed to be the only one who knows someone from ex-USSR, just answered your idiotic question. is that simple enough for you?