GHETTO NATION

[Shaft]

"Now, if world Jewry is declining in numbers, AND the dogma of Social Darwinism is correct, nothing should be done to reverse the trend, as the decline indicates their unfitness to survive, correct?"

I don't think there are any Social Darwinists in the real world, save the odd uniform wearing Nazi. Did nobody tell you a) that it is possible to believe in evolution and at the same time treat other human beings and even animals from within a moral framework that is based on empathy, and that b) this describes the vast majority of people who believe in evolution?

So why is it interesting to know what a Social Darwinist thinks about this?

As for the Mormon question, as far as I know the surrounding US States do not live for the day that Utah perishes, they do not blame Utah for all their ills, they do not follow scriptures that specifically denigrate Mormons and they do not feel that Utah is 'their territory' by religious right. And they do not send in waves of suicide bombers to blow up Mormon children on school buses.

Maybe this is they key to understanding the 'mystery' of peace in Utah.

[dixie_doll]

Originally posted by tovarisch

Nor are the Palestinians killing U.S. soldiers, DD, the ghetto nation to which I referred was ISRAEL.

But the Mormons went to Utah as refugees, in search of religious freedom. They also have a history of conflict with the Federal government, Chap, remember what I said about precedents?

Here's a version of Mormon history which is necessarily brief but perhaps reasonably accurate. http://www.religioustolerance.com/lds_hist.htm

Returning to ISRAEL, why is not more effort made at CONVERTING the Palestinians than simply killing them? After all, the worldwide Jewish population is declining, yes? And to the great alarm of some.

http://russia.com/forums/showthread....1&pagenumber=1

If the number of Jews cannot be increased by purely biological means, a slow and expensive proposition, then mass conversion is the most promising alternative. The Palestinians are close and currently under Israeli domination, and losing their prepuces is less of a sacrifice than suicide bombing, agreed? So let the rabbis get busy spreading the word of Moses, says the delightful tovarisch! And the U.S. tax dollars flood the Middle East!


T.

I was elaborating on your Mormon example (Dad hails from UT). I know Palestinians aren't killing US soldiers silly

Originally posted by Shaft
"Now, if world Jewry is declining in numbers, AND the dogma of Social Darwinism is correct, nothing should be done to reverse the trend, as the decline indicates their unfitness to survive, correct?"

I don't think there are any Social Darwinists in the real world, save the odd uniform wearing Nazi. Did nobody tell you a) that it is possible to believe in evolution and at the same time treat other human beings and even animals from within a moral framework that is based on empathy, and that b) this describes the vast majority of people who believe in evolution?Do YOU think everybody is getting what they deserve, Shaft? What about the people of Turkey, who got screwed by the sanctions against Saddam Hussein in neighboring Iraq? Then, when the Turkish government turned down a big American BRIBE to support the criminal war against Iraq, the Americans tried to foment a military coup in Turkey. Where is the "empathy" or "morality" in all this?

So why is it interesting to know what a Social Darwinist thinks about this?There are more of them around than you know- eyeradi8 is one, but he will probably deny it, lying as usual.

As for the Mormon question, as far as I know the surrounding US States do not live for the day that Utah perishes, they do not blame Utah for all their ills, they do not follow scriptures that specifically denigrate Mormons and they do not feel that Utah is 'their territory' by religious right. And they do not send in waves of suicide bombers to blow up Mormon children on school buses.All true, TODAY. Yet this was not always the case, as history shows. Both the Mormons and the Zionist Jews were driven to their current domiciles in part by religious persecution. Utah Mormons actively prosetylize, yes? Reaching out to their neighbors? While the Israelis use tactics out of gangland Murder Incorporated, "rubbing out" rival gang leaders with helicopter gunships, no less. They violate the agreements under which Uncle Sugar GAVE them those weapons to do so, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention- Not the best neighbors, eh? Is it any wonder the Palestinian people wish they would go back to where they came from? And who does the occupied territory belong to, "by religious right", eh? If you are going to argue that the Jews were there first, then the Afrikaners will have to go back to the Netherlands and Australians back to sLimeyland, etc., it gets REAL messy, REAL quick. Actually, it was the sLIMEYS who gave that land to the Zionists, when it was never theirs to give, and they aint GOD, not last time I checked- so leave Him out of it.

Maybe this is they key to understanding the 'mystery' of peace in Utah.Maybe your analysis leaves quite a bit to be desired, comrade Shaft.

But thanks for trying, all the same.

PEACE,T.

Bullshyit.

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Originally posted by eyeradi8

What apartheid in Israel?

Very well, eye, I shall provide an example of policies which are exactly similar under the apartheid system of South Africa and today's Israel: the destruction of homes of the oppressed minority using bulldozers.

"More than five million blacks risked their lives to live in illegal squatter camps on the edges of their townships, constantly living in fear of raids and routine bulldozings. Some resorted to selling drugs. Teenagers joined gangs, and violence took the lives of hundreds each day."

Of course, today's Palestinians are subjected to exactly the same sort of abuse, as is well documented on this very board. Indeed, some pseudoAmericans among us actually cheered the death of an American peace activist crushed by an Israeli bulldozer in a disgusting display of bigotry.

Of course the similarities do not end there.

SHALOM,T.

Originally posted by dixie_doll
I was elaborating on your Mormon example (Dad hails from UT). I know Palestinians aren't killing US soldiers silly [/b]

My apologies, DD, it seems that I misinterpreted your post.

But is it really in the interest of the Jewish people to be so concentrated in a single area, a sort of "super-ghetto", as it were? Is it truly making life better for the Jewish community in general, as was the original stated intention? How closely does the modern state of Israel approximate the original Zionist vision?

Actually, as with virtuallly every other recorded political or religious movement, the Zionists were quickly divided up into factions, and to some degree remain so to this day.

Maybe the better question to ask is, "what is the best form of society and why?" To determine the specific case from the general, if you will. What do you say?

As always, DD, it is my pleasure to exchange ideas with you.

HAPPINESS,T.

[VicBlack]