GHETTO NATION

[Shaft]

"Do YOU think everybody is getting what they deserve, Shaft? What about the people of Turkey, who got screwed by the sanctions against Saddam Hussein in neighboring Iraq? Then, when the Turkish government turned down a big American BRIBE to support the criminal war against Iraq, the Americans tried to foment a military coup in Turkey. Where is the "empathy" or "morality" in all this?"

How is this a reply to what I said about social darwinism? Ignoring...

"There are more of them around than you know- eyeradi8 is one, but he will probably deny it, lying as usual."

So it is Social Darwinists under the bed huh? I would also deny being a Social Darwinist - does that make me one too?

"All true, TODAY. Yet this was not always the case, as history shows. Both the Mormons and the Zionist Jews were driven to their current domiciles in part by religious persecution. Utah Mormons actively prosetylize, yes? Reaching out to their neighbors? While the Israelis use tactics out of gangland Murder Incorporated, "rubbing out" rival gang leaders with helicopter gunships, no less. They violate the agreements under which Uncle Sugar GAVE them those weapons to do so, as well as the Fourth Geneva Convention- Not the best neighbors, eh? Is it any wonder the Palestinian people wish they would go back to where they came from? And who does the occupied territory belong to, "by religious right", eh? If you are going to argue that the Jews were there first, then the Afrikaners will have to go back to the Netherlands and Australians back to sLimeyland, etc., it gets REAL messy, REAL quick. Actually, it was the sLIMEYS who gave that land to the Zionists, when it was never theirs to give, and they aint GOD, not last time I checked- so leave Him out of it."

Blah blah. Religious right way of thinking is bullsh1t. I thought that came across in my post - however what you don't seem to get is that this bs way of thinking is precisely what has animated the Arab objection to Israel right from the start. Israel is one small country trying to fight for it's survival, no matter what are the rights or wrongs of it's inception. The arabs are many surrounding nations who all want to see it destroyed. Your sympathies seem to lie exclusively with the arab cause. So far your view of the middle east situation comes across as very biased and deeply prejudiced.

[dixie_doll]

The "best form of society?" That's a good question. Also that's one that I couldn't fathom an answer. It seems to me (trying to dredge up AP US History memories) that even the societies that seemed "the best" at the time came screeching to a halt. i.e., the Old South (antebellum), the Victorian Era (without Henry VIII's beheadings, etc.) and to a degree you could argue Communism. And even Upton Sinclair's Utopia that he tried to start in New Jersey came down around him. (Literally, it burned to the ground!!)

So that's one I won't try to answer, or to even give a guess. More than likely if there was one, somebody somewhere would find a problem with it and *poof* it'd be gone.

[akhmetbek]

Please,Eye,you do know that they are....all over Palestine...Why do you think they call A.Sharon "the Bulldozer"?

[akhmetbek]

Proshu pardonu,it just that I've got trouble at work and right now I'm PISSED at just about everything...

[akhmetbek]

It allways does...

[Voyager13b]

When I saw this new post by Tovar, I expected to see the word "Jew" somewhere in the first paragraph. I wasn't disappointed.



Voyager

[Surik]

yo tut ktonibud po Russki shprexaet, ili tolko odni inoprixodci gadiat ..................