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Sorry , but i cannot call people that do these kind of things humans.

This is a good example of 2 animals!

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...use/index.html

[Galina_26]

Originally posted by dj_who_kid
Did both of you fall down the stairs? Rain don't answer that.

As for you crying that " I never imagined such mindlessness could come from democratic country built on belief in the individual." well, hate to break it to you, but since people are INDIVIDUALS, they don't all act the same. Thus, the other 200,000 soldiers participating don't shame themselves, but a few hicks from West Virginia do. Maybe you should think about this a little harder Nathalie.

Those soldiers are arguing they are not "individuals" but were ordered to do those things. That means "the hicks" go all the way to the top and the mindlessness runs deep. You can't call that using your brain....and if your passion is making naked men crawl around on all fours I can't call you a soldier.


[Edited by Galina_26 on 22nd May 2004 at 17:32]

[Armelius]

Rain, I am almost with you but you left out religion in your post. Throw in a false belief system and anything is possible. I am not saying that religion is completely to blame but England is a regular church goer, just as many nazi's, italians, and yes even japanese were regular religious people.

It's funny to me though. Those prisoners were treated good compared to how prisoners are treated in the states. I listened to Bush say that america believes in freedom and an instant flash came to my mind of all the american prisoners behind bars.

Those iraqi's are still alive. Japanese usually killed their prisoners especially ones who gave up. People in jail in the US are just as likely to be murdered as living on the street. I believe six murders occured in the twin towers in LA last month and all of them unsolved.

Video games, cartoons, education and violence in the media is not to blame. Just as it's natural to believe in your culture, fight for your country, and defend your beliefs, everyone has the tendency to oppress those who are deemed lower in status. It happens in nature too with dogs. It doesn't matter how civilized man becomes people will always use some type of status to oppress others.

I blame religion mainly because of the false beliefs and having three branches that are competing for control over all individuals.

Would catholics, jews, or moslems abuse each other? I doubt it, first they have to be removed from their belief system or be demonized before they are mistreated.

[Marcelle]

Originally posted by Galina_26


Those soldiers are arguing they are not "individuals" but were ordered to do those things. That means "the hicks" go all the way to the top and the mindlessness runs deep. You can't call that using your brain....and if your passion is making naked men crawl around on all fours I can't call you a soldier.


[Edited by Galina_26 on 22nd May 2004 at 17:32]

Sexual Dysfunction. Simple.
Too bad they had to use these men and women to fulfill their needs.

[C-Force]

Originally posted by durak
Sorry , but i cannot call people that do these kind of things humans.

This is a good example of 2 animals!

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...use/index.html

Even animals do not behave this way.

[Rain]

Paper: Prison abuse was for fun, not results

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...6523_2004may21

It was "fun"...they were just "playing"...

They werent given any "rules"...

Bunch of grown ups not only not seeing right from wrong, but enjoying it. They did it because the current climate allows for such people to think in this way. That you can kill/torture anyone you want, because he/she is a "bad guy". No rules, no proof, nothing. You are God.

This is The Punisher on a mass scale. "They killed my family ( 9/11 ) and Im gonna get the bad guys and blow them away." It seems uncanny that the movie used the same torture method, by draggong the "bad guy" on the ground by tying him to a car as these soldiers did to Iraqis. But this is not Hollywood and Iraqis have no darn connection to 9/11. Result is you have grown up men and women having no remorse over subjecting another human being to brutality because their govt promotes this kind of mentality. Life is not Hollywood, there is no glorious liberation of Iraq, no happy ending, just real world problems and issues that must be dealt with accordingly. There are RULES, that must be followed, rules of warfare, law, POW treatment, soldiers arent supposed to have emotions on their duty, this isnt a vigilante fairy tale where u have the license to kill, and the ever-shifting "enemy" is not a monster in the face of any nation or religion.

Its like a kindergarden with nukes. I understand if this was Taliban, but it aint.

Im glad there is a rising support against this tunneled vision, people are starting to speak out. But things need to be changed so noone can hijack a whole country like this again. Perhaps its gonna be a lesson.

Eradicating this perverted fantasy of knights and dragons will only make US stronger.

//

Armelius, religion can be a strong us/them psyhological factor, agree. It all depends on the people who practice it, however. The fact that different people can practice the same religion differently in different parts of the world shows that its the driver, and not the car responsible.

However, if it were upto to me, I'd have as little control in the hands of monks/imams as possible. People just dont have the right to go on tv and declare jihads or call other religions violent, etc.

R

[Edited by Rain on 23rd May 2004 at 00:47]

[digmeflattire]

I'd have to subscribe to the unpopular point of view and disagree with Rain, our mouthpiece for Kavkazonia.

For some perspective, let's consider what Chechens do to captured Russian soldiers and let us consider state sponsored stonings, mutilations and beheadings which abound in this advanced part of humanity which we call the Muslim World.

Ah yes, now that the truth is laying naked at your feet, how bad was it for a few feyadeen? In reality?

But aren't "we" supposed to conduct "ourselves" better than "they"?

Ah yes, as for "them" who suffered a little coercive abuse, I'll speculate that their fates could have been worse!

They could have been handled by their own!

Ever been to jail in Damascus? Well then, let me tell you about the late great Hafaz Assad's methods of coersion when I have more time!