The Russian "Deep Operation" tactic

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There was not much to improve on the famous T-34 because it was almost perfect. After the Battle of Kursk the T-34 s were equiped with 85 mm high velocity cannons what greatly improved it's firepower.
It was the best tank of WW2.

Give credit to the JS-120s. Stands for Jozef Stalin 120. Blew up the Tigers and ripped the Panthers apart.

I never agree the opinion of anybody who says that the officers who were purged would have succeded against the Germans in WW2. No high ranking WW1 officer succeded in WW2. It was totally different war.
Those officers would have been in the way of the truly brilliant Soviet officers like Zhukov, Konev, Vasilevsky, Chuykov and the rest.

It is typical Stalin bashing...

Typical Stalin bashing to mention the forced industrialisasion....The other thread shows us the weapons what the Germans were killed by. The videos showed incredible centralization of firepower done by famous Soviet artillery pieces. Yes, the Russian artillery was very good even during Tzarist times....But non of those weapons would have been egzisted in such a great numbers if not for the industrialization of the SovietUnion.
I missed the T-34- 76 and 85. Also the "Tommy gun" of the Soviet infantry and the JS-120s.

Yeah, I am bashing Stalin, but if I am bashing him, and you’re upset, do you mean that you are and want to praise him, and I should also praise him? Actually, Stalin deserves a little credit I guess. I was reading about Russian tanks at Borders and found that the high command didn’t like the original t-34 design and rejected it; but Stalin happened to come by that design and loved it, thus the T-34 was in production.

And if you were more attentive, read my first post again. "These questions were answered by observing the Great War and the Russian Civil War". The Great War is WW1, so no high ranking officer as you said won.

This argument is actually very comical, here am I praising the Soviet power of “Deep Operations” and you are making me look like I hate Russia. Yeah, and those videos about how Germans were killed by was posted by me, if you didn’t realize.

And one more thing, I’ve never heard of the JS-120, only the JS-122, or IS-2.

Zhukov Survived Stalin's Great Purge. Zhukov, your hero, also criticized Stalin, your other hero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Zhukov

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P-man:

Are you into submarines? The russians had a lot of advances in that arena--in a more clear cut way than some of your other stances....

Natalie

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Well actually the Russian submarines weren’t as good as the West only until 1982, when the Kilo class submarine came in. the engine of the submarine usually vibrates the entire sub, making quite a lot of noise, (for those detectors of course). The West came up with the solution, by suspending the entire engine with 6 or 8, (I can’t remember) rubber “things”. I couldn’t recall the details, because I visited a submarine at Fremantle, Australia around a year ago, about December 2004.
“Until the 1980s, Russian attack submarines were designed around the concept of Anti-Surface Warfare so they tended to be fast and noisy. Due primarily to a U.S. sailor and communications technician that betrayed his country, John Anthony Walker, Russia learned NATO naval forces could track them quite easily and over time redesigned their submarines to operate much more quietly. The Victor III was the first class of Russian submarine to be built with this new mentality, armed with torpedoes, SUBROCs, and cruise missiles, they posed a more significant threat to NATO sea power. Today Russian Akula (Shark), Sierra, and Grayney class submarines continue in design innovation and are respected as some of the finest submarines in the world.” Wikipedia
So actually the Russians were just comparable, maybe a little superior.

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This could proof that the Russians didn’t strive for the perfect tank.

“Barring this interruption, the only changes allowed on the production lines were to make the tanks simpler and cheaper to produce. New methods were developed for welding and hardening plate. The design of the F-34 gun Model 1941 was reduced to 614 parts, compared to the earlier model's 861. Over two years, the production cost of the tank was reduced from 269,500 rubles in 1941, to 193,000, and then to 135,000, even though the majority of experienced factory workers were replaced by women, boys, invalids, and old men. The exterior finish of the T-34 went from beautifully-crafted to very rough, although mechanical reliability would not be compromised.”
“The cost to produce a T-34-85 tank was initially about thirty percent higher than a Model 1943, at 164,000 rubles, but by 1945 it was down to 142,000. During the course of the war, the cost of a T-34 tank had been reduced by almost half—in the meantime its mobility remained nearly the same, and its main gun's armour penetration and frontal armour thickness nearly doubled.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34

The Germans tried to build tanks that is invulnarable, able to destroy any other tank, able to exploit and breaktrough tough defences. But the Russians sticked to the T-34 even though it wasn’t as effective agains newer German tanks.