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Admin of Scotland.com < Last Thread
Author Thread Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 admin Moderator Registered: Jun 1999 Posts: 220 Ratboy - We do appreciate members reporting obvious forum policy infringements however in this case it appears you have a personal vendetta with a member/s of this Scotland.com forum. By pursuing this vendetta you are attracting the due responses by other members of this forum, who I am sure find your request of banning every person who posted in this thread for policy violation, just as amusing as me. Neil's original thread which you were complaining about was justifiably warning & referring to a member who has gone out of their to abuse and cause a disturbance on our board on repeated occasions. I am sure Neil does not make an attempt to make such posts on a regular basis, but please try and remember moderating a heated discussion forum can sometimes be stressful. Especially when there is an abusive user who goes out of there way to avoid bans and to make multiple abusive posts even after being warned. If you have any other serious concerns please feel free to email me. Thanks! __________________ admin Upon losing my composure, my words are as follows: See if you find this amusing. You are full it it. After a year's absence from Scotland.com, Nonson returned and put up a simple political post. It read: SNP Sucking Nellies on Parade. The post was immediatedly responded to by Neil Caple with: Snot-Nosed Prick". Now just who in the hell iniated the insults? And is there a personal reason why you protect this alledged person? __________________ Tentmaker 5th January 2002 06:22 IP: Logged Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 Admin of Scotland.com posted the following: "I am sure Neil does not make an attempt to make such posts on a regular basis, but please try and remember moderating a heated discussion forum can sometimes be stressful. Especially when there is an abusive user who goes out of there way to avoid bans and to make multiple abusive posts even after being warned. " Here, Admin, you are mouthing BS. Three moderators at Scotland.com go out of their way every chance they get to make trouble for unwanted members. How many former members of the site would you like to hear from stating that this is fact? Your Moderators, with Admin cooperation, is what purged Scotland.com, NZ.com, Morocco.com, etc. Too, why do you think Ukraine.com is as lifeless as a week-old stiff? I do so hope you also find this amusing. Over the past year that is about the level of intelligence shown by the Admins of all VCI sites. Please respond to these posts of mine. I do so need a good belly laugh. __________________ Tentmaker 5th January 2002 06:59 IP: Logged observer58 Senior Member Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 217 Tentmaker, Drop me an e-mail. I need to talk to you about this. have a great one, John 5th January 2002 08:46 IP: Logged Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 Admin of Scotland, How utterly disappointing you are. Here its been hours since my email to you and my postings here on Russia,com. Why do you hesitate in your response? Surely one so bold as to post this for all to read: "Ratboy - We do appreciate members reporting obvious forum policy infringements however in this case it appears you have a personal vendetta with a member/s of this Scotland.com forum. By pursuing this vendetta you are attracting the due responses by other members of this forum, who I am sure find your request of banning every person who posted in this thread for policy violation, just as amusing as me. " would have no fear of answering one of my lowly station. Come on Admin, use your great gift of words to demean and degrade me as you did Ratboy in the above. Give it a try. I promise you it wont be a boring exercise. Within a matter of three posts your panties will be all wet from the excitement. That is, of course, unless your juices are dried up and your regenerative organs are as dead as your brain. Come on Admin, encourage the members of Russia.com to attack and abuse me as you have done with members of Scotland.com. Do your best here to aid and abet those who wish me removed from VCI sites. Is not this the underhanded way in which you prefer to do your job? Come on Admin, respond to me. Legalman has assured me that if you are unable to deal in a rational manner with the problem I present, we can take the matter to the Head Hancho of VCI and explore your numerous indiscretions. Sort of an attorney to attorney thing. So what have you to lose? Surely, in this game of chess, VCI prefers an Admin to just another foolish member from the boonies. I'm waiting with bated breath, my dear Admin. Don't keep me hanging. Eagerness for the hunt is such a beast to control. Almost has hard as your apparent stupidity. __________________ Tentmaker 5th January 2002 16:19 IP: Logged Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by observer58 Tentmaker, Drop me an e-mail. I need to talk to you about this. have a great one, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Observer58, This is a matter that you might not wish to be linked to either directly or indirectly. The reason being that these denizens play nasty. Case in point, a Moderator on Scotland.com somehow got my email address and subscribed me to InfoBeat(everything they send out). I received hundreds of emails from the outfit weekly. The Moderator admitted doing it on the Open Board at Scotland.com. The matter was referred to the Administrator for resolution. The excuse came back that the Moderator was but 18 years old and prone to do silly things. The person is still a Moderator at Scotland.com. Over the years I've been spammed with iExpect, FreeShop, threats, legal sounding emails, DOS, and just general harrassment by those associated with VCI. After my next post on this issue, you will see just how prejudiced, biased, and even bigoted the Admins and Mods of VCI really are. __________________ Tentmaker 5th January 2002 19:25 IP: Logged observer58 Senior Member Registered: Jan 2000 Posts: 217 Tentmaker, Drop me an email. I need to talk to you about this. have a great one, John 5th January 2002 19:40 IP: Logged Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 Below are posts takened from FeedBack at Scotland.com. They deal with a member named Ratboy who is making a complaint to the Administrator in a very rational manner. Contrary to VCI Use Policy the Moderators of the site respond to the complaint and begin a personal attack on Ratboy. With this encouragment by the Moderators, other members of Scotland.com join in the personal attack on this one member who has offended no one. Ratboy remains highly rational (keeping his cool) through page after page of insults from Moderators and members. Then as par for course on VCI along comes the Administrator and instead of cracking down on both Moderators and members for the personal attacks on Ratboy s/he (the Admin) joins in the attack as shown by the initial post of this thread. What one witnesses is the operating procedure of VCI. It has been evident in hundreds of other instances where the Administrators resort to dirty tricks to aid and abet the wrong doings of Moderators. Everyone on this site knows very well that the Moderators of Scotland.com use all kinds of foul-smelling ways of attacking and getting unwanted members banned. Moderators Neil Caple and Goose are foremost in the practice. They use bigotry and racism to get a fight started and when a member responds to the attack they either modify their posts or delete it entirely. I've witnessed it happening dozens of times. As soo as they get a hated member in a compromising position they run to the Administrator asking that the person be banned. It has worked over and over. Numerous people have been banned because of their subterfuges. Alos, by letting it go on unchecked, VCI has created any number of enemies who are quite capable of taking the company down. A company does not permit such treatment of it customers if it depends on cyberspace and the Net for its livelihood. It is utter stupidity. Though I post only one page of the garbage from Scotland.com, there are either seven or eight pages of it. They all deal with attacks on Ratbpy, with which, we have proved, the Administrator of the site concurs. ratboy Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 62 admin: Please look at the thread "Ronbo is a Liar". http://www.scotland.com/forums/showt...?threadid=8096 This title is offensive. You ask us to "turn the other cheek". You have a moderater who starts offensive threads by name calling in the title. This is an obvious violation of the use policy... Please teach moderators how to moderate..... Ratboy 21st December 2001 05:06 IP: Logged ratboy Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 62 Admin: Moderator Neil needs some training about moderation. http://www.scotland.com/forums/showt...9&pagenumber=1 He characterizes your behavior recently as "flushing the toilet". This is absolutely offensive and needs objective criticism. Please act accordingly and inform this member that such behavior will not be tolerated as you state in the use policy. Thank you Ratboy 21st December 2001 05:09 IP: Logged crying-charlie Moderator Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 696 I'm sorry Ratboy, but Neil is doing a great job and as far as I, and most of the other members on Scotland.com are concerned, Neil is one of our best Moderators. Over the past 4 weeks or so, Neil and other Moderators/members have had to put up with a great deal of abuse and have been targets by a small minority who's sole intension was to disrupt, Slander, and use abusive language, with a total disregard for other members, guests and the young children that visit this site. Under the circumstances I feel Neil and others were more restrained that they could have been, and they get a big thumbs up from me! If you go to the thread you highlighted, you will see the support given to Neil and Admin. Thanx Ratboy for pointing this thread out to all of us. Keep up the good work Neil, you have my support! __________________ "FREEDOM" 21st December 2001 09:47 IP: Logged Goose Moderator Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 1630 This person also fails to mention that Neil, others and I are still taking abuse elsewhere but thats not the concern of these boards and we thank you all including admin for the support you are giving us. __________________ Goose **************** "All science has one aim, namely, to find a theory of nature." Ralph Waldo Emerson. 21st December 2001 12:17 IP: Logged ratboy Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 62 Goose and charlie: Your support for neil doesn't diminish the evidence. It does incriminate you, however. Just look at the evidence and please play by the rules. Are moderators exempt from the rules? "flushing the toilet" and "Ronbo is a liar" are evidence of violating the use policy and such comments should be condemned and neil should be punished for such bad behavoir. He's supposed to be a moderator. He says that admin actually did the "toilet flushing". In my opinion, Neil should be removed immediately from his post as moderater and banned from vci. Anybody who supports such behavior should be warned that this behavior is not tolerated at vci. IF VCi doesn't do something then it shows that vci does not follow their own policies. Ratboy [Edited by ratboy on 21st December 2001 at 18:25] 21st December 2001 16:15 IP: Logged Goose Moderator Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 1630 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ratboy Goose and charlie: Your support for neil doesn't diminish the evidence. It does incriminate you, however. Just look at the evidence and please play by the rules. Are moderators exempt from the rules? "flushing the toilet" and "Ronbo is a liar" are evidence of violating the use policy and such comments should be condemned and neil should be punished for such bad behavoir. He's supposed to be a moderator. He says that admin actually did the "toilet flushing". In my opinion, Neil should be removed immediately from his post as moderater and banned from vci. Anybody who supports such behavior should be warned that this behavior is not tolerated at vci. IF VCi doesn't do something then it shows that vci does not follow their own policies. Ratboy [Edited by ratboy on 21st December 2001 at 18:25] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Admin has addressed this directly in their message to the members and I will let it rest as they requested on these boards. However I do challenge your right to make an allegation that I am incriminated at all in anything. Incrimination specifies that a law has been broken. There has been no law broken here so incrimination as you put it only exists in your opinion. __________________ Goose **************** "All science has one aim, namely, to find a theory of nature." Ralph Waldo Emerson. 21st December 2001 19:49 IP: Logged crying-charlie Moderator Registered: Feb 2001 Posts: 696 Goose don't continue this, it's not worth it as I think Ratboy is one and the same with Ronbo and the others. But I will say, that if I have been incriminated in any way, as Ratbot says, then please delete me as a Moderator and a member. Now the only person I can see that persists in this mud slinging is Ratboy, and I can again, only praise the work of Admin and all the Moderators on Scotland.com I wish you all a happy Christmas and a great Hogmany __________________ "FREEDOM" 21st December 2001 22:43 IP: Logged kathyv Native Registered: Nov 2000 Posts: 1370 Standing in support of our Mods and Admin... Thanks to all who look out for us so well. __________________ love me, love my dog 22nd December 2001 00:36 IP: Logged DCubed Native Registered: Oct 2001 Posts: 115 Thanks to the admin. for enforcing the rules that resulted in the banning of certain members. It needed to be done whether you call it "enforcing" or "flushing". Neil and Goose took some incredibly personal abuse during the last few weeks and I am really grateful that they stuck it out and didn't resign during the seige of Ronbo et al. It would be interesting to know Ratboy's name. The timing of his reappearance is curious, isn't it? __________________ Luceo non Uro -- I shine not burn 22nd December 2001 00:53 IP: Logged Goose Moderator Registered: Apr 2000 Posts: 1630 Not curious. Had that figured out from the first post. __________________ Goose **************** "All science has one aim, namely, to find a theory of nature." Ralph Waldo Emerson. 22nd December 2001 00:56 IP: Logged ratboy Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 62 Admin is not enforcing the rules if they let moderators break the rules. All the cheering for "admin" and neil doesn't change the facts of this case. They are undisputed. "Flushing the toilet" and "Ronbo is a liar" violate the use policy. Neil should be banned for such comments especially after the episode was supposed to be over ("flusing the toilet" comment). Scotland.com suffers from a big bias problem. Can't you argue the facts. Forget opinion and conjecture. Just argue the facts...... two wrongs don't make a right here. Neil responded to others by breaking the rules himself. He should not be exonerated.... Merry Christmas to all and please moderators, act objective as moderators should ratboy 22nd December 2001 01:55 IP: Logged ratboy Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 62 ratboy is ratboy, not nonson,not justo,not ronbo Ratboy 22nd December 2001 01:56 IP: Logged PineRidgeEndeavors Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 34 Two thumbs up for both or all three rather Admin Neil Goose 22nd December 2001 02:42 IP: Logged kathyv Native Registered: Nov 2000 Posts: 1370 I have a question for you ratboy. If you are so unhappy with the way the mods and admin run the boards why do you stick around? Seems like anyone who has so many problems with the way someone handles things, would be much happier posting in a different community or discussion area. There are thousands of them around, you surely can find a place that makes you happy as well as suiting your needs and opinions. Something to think about..... __________________ love me, love my dog 22nd December 2001 03:47 IP: Logged ratboy Native Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 62 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by kathyv I have a question for you ratboy. If you are so unhappy with the way the mods and admin run the boards why do you stick around? Seems like anyone who has so many problems with the way someone handles things, would be much happier posting in a different community or discussion area. There are thousands of them around, you surely can find a place that makes you happy as well as suiting your needs and opinions. Something to think about..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kathyv: The only thing I am unhappy about is the fact that the use policy is not applied equally. Why don't you respond to the facts in question and not tell me to leave. I am doing exactly as admin has instructed-report violations of the use policy to them. Neil has obviously violated the use policy and admin supports this. This board is for anyone who wants to exchange ideas freely under standard guidelines. Neil has violated those guidlines. He is supposed to follow the guidlines, not break them. Think about that.... ratboy 22nd December 2001 05:43 IP: Logged __________________ Tentmaker 5th January 2002 20:01 IP: Logged Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 One of the big problems never addressed by members of VCI is that when a complaint is made directly to an Administrator, the Moderators come out of the woodwork and begin to critique the complaint with a wild frenzy. If the complaint is regarding them or favorite members their attack on it becomes savage. By the time the Administrator gets around to the post, there is likely to be a war going on. Needless to say, any communique to the Administrator of a site should go untouched by anyone but the sender and the receiver. By letting the less than competent to become involved in such a decision-making process is utterly stupid. But it seems VCI Admins have no objection to such a gutter-like practice in the conduct of business. All of these obvious breaches of decency leaves one wondering about the mental wiring of the Administrators and the Directors of the various departments. The short-circuits are easy to see, but few members choose to speak up about them. Guess it is the fear of God that has been instilled in them. So much for their appreciation for hard-earned personal liberties. __________________ Tentmaker 5th January 2002 21:40 IP: Logged Tentmaker Junior Member Registered: Dec 2000 Posts: 24 To Administrator of Scotland.com, In your post on Scotland.com to the member named Ratboy you stated: "Ratboy - We do appreciate members reporting obvious forum policy infringements however in this case it appears you have a personal vendetta with a member/s of this Scotland.com forum." "By pursuing this vendetta you are attracting the due responses by other members of this forum, who I am sure find your request of banning every person who posted in this thread for policy violation, just as amusing as me." Since Ratboy's posts were directed to you and he made no mention of any other member other than Neil Caple in questioning the abuse that this Moderator has subjected others to, how did you arrived at the amazing conclusion that this member, who is merely asking that justice be done, has a personal vendetta against anyone? To any who have read all the posts of that thread, your assumption appears most strange. In the second sentence of that paragraph you state that Ratboy is getting what is due him from the other members of the forum. You mean by this, of course, you feel the personal attacks (insults posted) by both members and Moderators on this one member is justified and you further believe him to be getting what he deserves for questioning VCI practice. You further laud the attacking members and Moderators with the gloating statement that you find Ratboy's plea for justice amusing." My question to you is: What sort of mindless, immoral, animal are you? __________________ Tentmaker 6th January 2002 06:25 IP: Logged |
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6th January 2002, 07:06
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It ought to help bring moisture to the Administrator's panties to know that all posts on this subect, here and on Scotland.com, are being archieved and will be submitted to the president of VCI for a just resolution.
Hey Admin, I hear Wal-Mart stores are having a super duper bargain basement sale of girlie underthings. Better rush on down there and stock up. From here on in, you will experience all sorts of problems in keeping yours dry. Just a bit of helpful advice. |
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6th January 2002, 12:55
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Now, THIS is one stupid thread, and another example why man shouldn't live by hobbies alone.
Laters, Genna. |
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