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Old 16th February 2002, 18:53
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Jean-Jacques Rousseu once said that “a true democracy has never existed and never will exist; for it is against the natural order of things that the majority should govern the minority.” Do you agree with that statement? Do you believe, for example, that a true democracy exists in America? If your answer is yes, then why are so many Americans, both on the Left and on the Right, feel that the government doesn’t represent their interest? If your answer is no, what do you think are the obstacles to true democracy today?
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Old 16th February 2002, 19:05
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Liberals want to believe wealth can exist without corporations, it cannot.

Conservatives want to believe wealth can exist without government, it cannot.

The problem is how to balance government to allow individual freedom to take risks and create wealth, and, to protect the average citizen from being taken to the proverbial cleaners by unscrupulous corporations.

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Old 16th February 2002, 19:17
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Not only do I not agree that America is a true democracy, I think it would be much worse if it were. At least with a representative Republic you have a chance of reducing the evils that a majority often support. Of course it doesn't always work but it does serve as a possibly intelligent buffer.
Your Constitution was written to guard against the tyranny of a majority and/or our politicians. Unfortunately the Constitution is widely disregarded by both the government and the public.


And that's only part of the problem with a 'true democracy.' Another problem with it is WIIFM (What's In It For Me). In a representative system your legislative body tries to look out for everyone. However, in a 'true democracy' people have a much stronger tendency to vote for whatever is the best for themselves and the hell with everyone else.

This problem is coming through strongly with the initiative process in many states. Rather than petition the legislature for changes, initiatives bypass the legislature and put the vote to the people. And while in theory everyone supports that, in practice many of these initiatives cause big problems due to WIIFM. People vote for tax cuts that put money in their pockets without concern for what will happen to public works that money had been slated for (e.g. roads, schools, libraries, public transit, police & fire).

I'm not espousing a liberal viewpoint on social projects or agendas here. I'm not advocating higher taxes. I'm simply pointing out that the way a republic (representative form of government) is set up, especially one with a foundation on the American Constitution, it is more likely to look at the bigger picture than a 'true democracy,' where people are more likely to look for WIIFM.


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Old 16th February 2002, 19:45
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What democracy?????? Democracy is governing by the poeple. We are governed by representation.
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Old 16th February 2002, 19:48
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Talking Ronbo

You truly are a student of history. Bravo!
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Old 17th February 2002, 00:39
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Yes Ronbo, it was a great post.
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Old 17th February 2002, 00:45
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I am going to shoot that moose of yours! LOL!!!! It scares me!
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