Middle East Conflict

[Gregz]

I have followed the Middle East conflict with interest for several years now. I think that I’ve been writing far to carelessly about it on this board. I perhaps sometimes get carried away; I am sorry if my little rants have caused any of you offence. I suppose that we are all very fallible and make mistakes or misjudgements and sometimes get upset. I however will make a point of moderating my own point of view a little bit better in future.


Judaism and Islam are not at fault as such; rather an extreme political wing that has highjacked their own religions to serve there political proposes. Due to conflicts of interests and secular self-serving beliefs, they naturally mistrust each other’s motives and such is reflected in their culture. The masses however must not be manipulated towards engaging in such an unjust holy war.

The Muslims and Jews are delusional and not facing the facts. Neither people command the moral law and both peoples are subject to failing government. The only way to counter such hatred and mistrust is with justice. In order to command the moral law a state must serve the common good of all and not just it’s own peoples interests.

We the people have the absolute right to demand only one thing and that is good government. Secular society will have no place in the coming order. Only an elite that serves the interests of all will command the future.


A little philosophy

Nature is culture.
From culture evolved virtue.
Areté virtue is knowledge.
Knowledge must serve the good and hence serves nature.

In other words there are social cycles, which are governed by, are nature. It is only when man drifts astray from the natural order of things that he meets obstacles.

Gregz


“Do not worry about holding high position; worry rather about playing your proper role." - Confucious

[Gregz]

BETHLEHEM, West Bank (AP) - Israeli tanks entered Bethlehem from two directions early Tuesday and were moving toward the center of the biblical town, witnesses said.

Tanks and armored vehicles moved through the village of Beit Sahour, southeast of Bethlehem and also from a hill south of the town and headed toward the middle of Bethlehem, where the Church of the Nativity marks the traditional birthplace of Jesus.

Several hundred yards from the church, Israeli forces were exchanging gunfire with armed Palestinians, the witnesses said. The Israeli military refused to comment.

Israeli forces remained massed at the main entrance to Bethlehem, the checkpoint between the town and nearby Jerusalem, just to the north. However, there was no move toward Bethlehem from that area. Also, several tanks took up positions next to the Dheisheh refugee camp next to the town on the highway to Hebron but did not enter the camp. Also, Israeli soldiers did not enter the Aida refugee camp next to Bethlehem, the witnesses said.

The latest incursion came as Israel widened its military campaign in the West Bank, which followed a string of bloody Palestinian suicide bomb attacks. Israeli soldiers took control of several West Bank towns and conducted searches. In Ramallah, Israeli troops trapped Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in his office as other soldiers battled gunmen and made about 700 arrests, according to the military spokesman.



RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) - Israeli forces attacked Palestinian security headquarters near Ramallah early Tuesday and headed toward Bethlehem, Palestinians said, signaling further intensification of an offensive the Israelis say is aimed at stamping out terrorism.

Israeli forces attacked the headquarters of Palestinian Preventive Security outside Ramallah, firing tank shells and mach11-year-old Palestinian boy was killed by gunfire from Israeli soldiers as he played near a market in Rafah, in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian hospital officials said.

In Ramallah, nearly all the dead over the course of the incursion - at least 25, by Palestinian count - have been men in their 20s and 30s. At Ramallah Hospital, the city's main medical center, doctors pulled open the metal doors of the morgue to display bloodied bodies of the young men, wrapped in sheets, and said they had not been allowed to transport them out for burial.

The day's widening offensive began before dawn when tanks rolled into Bethlehem, just five miles south of Jerusalem. The tanks stopped about 500 yards short of the Church of the Nativity, built over the traditional birthplace of Jesus. An Israeli soldier was shot and killed by a Palestinian sniper, the military said. Troops also moved into the nearby villages of Al Khader and Beit Jalla.

The Israelis pulled back to the edge of Bethlehem later in the day, but about 40 Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers were poised on the edge of town, and townspeople braced for another incursion.

In Beit Jalla, Israeli forces imposed a curfew and occupied buildings overlooking Bethlehem.

Six foreigners protesting the Israeli invasion were injured when they marched up to tanks in Beit Jalla, said doctors. One woman was hit in the stomach by a bullet, and witnesses said the others were struck by shrapnel after an Israeli soldier fired into the ground. An Associated Press Television News cameramen, Iyad Hamad, was also lightly injured. The military would not immediately comment on the incident.

State Department spokesman Philip Reeker criticized Israel for injuring the protesters and said the military should investigate the incident to prevent such incidents in the future.

Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat accused Bush and the United Nations of ignoring the Palestinians' suffering. ``There is total destruction, total state terror against the Palestinians,'' Erekat told The Associated Press.


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[Legs]

Hi Gregz.

Palestine(Arafat) supports terrorism, Israel does not. Nuff said. Israel is finally taking up for themselves.

[Gregz]

Hello Legs

The UN is trying fowl and Arafat is claiming that he can’t stop the terrorists.

I do know what you mean though technically this operation will succeed for Israel from a military prospect. The real problem is a political one. The only thing, currently stopping this conflict from widening is Americas continuing support for Israel. Apparently the Arabs are scared stiff of America. The Israelis seem to be playing with the idea of putting a border fence and effectively splitting ground.

This is war now though in the full sense of the word. Not only between the Palestinians and Israelis but also perhaps the Arab world and Israel.

Gregz


“Put loyalty and trust above everything else; do not befriend your moral inferiors; do not be afraid to correct your mistakes." - Confucious

[vorosilov]

Hi Legs,

Today I had my hair cut. I was not very satisfied my regular hairdresser so I went to look for another one.
Not far from my place a new salon opened a few month ago. I decided to go there. It is operated by Iranian muslim people. They were very friendly.
And guess what? Not only my head stayed on my neck, my ears are still firmly attached to my head, but I got a great haircut too. I tipped the guy very well and I left.
I will go there next time too.

Best Regards: Vorosilov

[Legs]

Originally posted by vorosilov
Hi Legs,

Today I had my hair cut. I was not very satisfied my regular hairdresser so I went to look for another one.
Not far from my place a new salon opened a few month ago. I decided to go there. It is operated by Iranian muslim people. They were very friendly.
And guess what? Not only my head stayed on my neck, my ears are still firmly attached to my head, but I got a great haircut too. I tipped the guy very well and I left.
I will go there next time too.

Best Regards: Vorosilov

Hi, Voro,

Nice story, but I am tired of you and your kid insinuating on here that I am against all Muslims. THis makes the 5th time I have clarified myself. SImply because I have the nerve to speak up against terrorists, and many Muslims that blindly support them, you twist my words, yet again.

[Legs]

Originally posted by Gregz
Hello Legs

The UN is trying fowl and Arafat is claiming that he can’t stop the terrorists.

I do know what you mean though technically this operation will succeed for Israel from a military prospect. The real problem is a political one. The only thing, currently stopping this conflict from widening is Americas continuing support for Israel. Apparently the Arabs are scared stiff of America. The Israelis seem to be playing with the idea of putting a border fence and effectively splitting ground.

This is war now though in the full sense of the word. Not only between the Palestinians and Israelis but also perhaps the Arab world and Israel.



“Put loyalty and trust above everything else; do not befriend your moral inferiors; do not be afraid to correct your mistakes." - Confucious

Gregz

It is war from all the Arab worlds, once again, because they refuse to see that anything their people do could possibly be wrong. Such as teaching their children to hate all Jews and Christians, to the point that they will strap bombs on their own bodies to try to kill others of another religion, hon.