Halloween Origins, a must read

Castle,

Not exactly. Things have a way of working out. About a year ago, I started to debate a person on this board about the Economy, Gun Control, The Constittution, George Bush.

The positions that I have taken have all turned out to be accurate. He/she/it turned out to be wrong on everything.
Yet he/she/it is still around calling me a liar and a nazi.

The same thing can be said of the religious debates. You folks offer nothing but your BELIEFS and you expect to prevail over science and evidence. No deal. Bad mouthing, name calling, mealy-mouthing is no answer to anything. Attacking me just shows how bankrupt and clueless you folks are.

To bring this to a debate, please answer the following: Was it creation as told in Genesis or Intelligent Beginning?

Bill

When you answer that, I promise to answer any question that you might have

[the_fallen_lord_99]

Originally posted by benCA
Fallen_Lord,

You miss the point of my thread, it is not to preach how Halloween is bad, but I simply want to show darker facts of Halloween.

Halloween has a long, long history, I picked one of the earliest facts of that history. So don’t attack by saying that its not researched, do your research and then correct mine.

What you posted is not the earliest facts, Halloween went through changes, but It originated from the facts I posted. Changes such as Catholics not wanting to lose this holiday/practice, so they made some changes to the Halloween in order to keep Halloween, they purified it so to speak. But the facts still stand that Halloween came from some very dark practices of which I posted above.

And what you posted about Jack, its also true. It doesn’t mean that what I posted is not true. It would be a long thread if I was to post every fact, I simply picked the very earliest.

And I suggest that if you disagree with any facts I posted, please post the correct once, and keep in mind that I went looking for the earliest facts I could find.

unbiased source? So lets see, what would be an unbiased source? Defiantly that’s not for the spiritual world you’re in. Yea keep saying that you don’t worship Devil, and I’ll keep saying what I know.

Earliest sources???

Lets point out some of the mistakes from these "Earliest sources"
1. Druidry is not a religion. It's a philosophy and you can worship a God or a Goddess, it's up to you. You can be a Christian or a Moslem or anything else and still be a Druid. "But while a Christian will say God made that tree, a Druid will say the energy of a creative force is in that tree.

2. Many historians believed that the ancient Druids performed human sacrifices. All of these references can be traced back to the writings of one individual, Julius Caesar. He may well have been prejudiced against the Celts because of their continual warfare with the Romans. In war, the enemy is routinely demonized. Some remains of executions have been found in the archeological record, but it is not obvious whether the victims were killed during religious rituals or to carry out the sentence of a court. There is one reference to human sacrifice in Celtic literature, but it appears to be a Christian forgery.

3. Celtic God Samhain: This non-existent God is often mentioned at Halloween time. He is supposed to be the Celtic God of the Dead. No such God existed. Samhain is, in reality, the name of a Druidic fire festival. It can be loosely translated as "end of the warm season".


By unbiased sources I meant books by known scholars who specialise in ancient pagan philosophy.

[CastleStormer]

That was the basis of the Druidic religion. But there were spiritual deities involved. Like I said earlier, find the horned god and you will have your answer. Even the Druid high priest would wear horned head dress before he blessed the warriors in homage to their horned warrior god.

And Satan just means adversary. I don't know who you guys think Satan is, but there is a lot of evil high ones in the spiritual realm. That's why the disciples tried to cast a devil, and could not. Jesus finished the job. They wanted to know why they couldn't do it. Jesus chided them for their unblief, and then said "this kind comes out only by prayer and fasting". The Greek word for "kind" means family or type. This type of spirit comes only out by prayer and fasting. He was bigger, badder, and more powerful than they were used to casting up to that point.

You won't get information like that in dead religious churches.

And PS: Druidry is not a religion, it's a philosophy. Not true! Sorry fallen lord. They have tax exempt status as a religion as does Wicca. Worship whoever you want? Not hardly! Maybe the tire kicking evil wannabees...but not those who are serious. Trust me on this one.

[the_fallen_lord_99]

Originally posted by benCA

So lets see, what would be an unbiased source? Defiantly that’s not for the spiritual world you’re in.

If you wanted to find out the ideology of Hinduism, would you go and ask a Hindu or a Taoist?

[the_fallen_lord_99]

Originally posted by CastleStormer

And PS: Druidry is not a religion, it's a philosophy. Not true! Sorry fallen lord. They have tax exempt status as a religion as does Wicca. Worship whoever you want? Not hardly! Maybe the tire kicking evil wannabees...but not those who are serious. Trust me on this one.

Well acording to Kieron, its not a religion . You wanna correct him, write to:

PO Box 1333
Lewes, East Sussex
BN7 3ZG
England

[justoleme]

Yes ..But it works like this in my view.They oppose God. The Devil works his magic by deception.He decieves those he can.Truth is not his aim.Truth is light.He is of darkness.So his word is of no use if you want truth.

[CastleStormer]

He is a Druid priest or something? There are many Druid groups. The ones in England were always weird to me because most of the priests always thought they were the reincarnation of King Arthur. They were more into the show than into the power. And Keiron is an occult name, but he spells it wrong. The ones who meet yearly at Stonehenge are different from those who meet on the lunar calendar at Avalon. And if they weren't classified as a religion, why did the English Government capitulate and allow them to perform their rituals there. What other group has authority to meet regularly at Stonehenge??? Nobody!

So he says that Druids are not a religion huh? Well Laurie Cabot, America's foremost witch and Wiccan priestess says that Wicca has no negative aspects to it. This goes directly against the teachings of Gavin Frost, the founder of the Wicca Church in America.

Zena La Vey, daughter of Anton La Vey says that Satanism has no negative elements to it. This goes directly against daddy who wrote the Satanic Bible. Oddly enough her hubby Benjamin Shreck, Satanic High Priest changed his story also after their appearance on the Phil Donahue show.

Ask any Mason if their God is Lucifer, and they will tell you "no way". This goes directly against Albert Pike, who wrote their Bible "Morals and Dogma". He clearly states that the god they serve is Lucifer.

Ask many Christians if they believe in the resurrection of Jesus from the dead and they will tell you "no". This goes directly against the truth of the scriptures and other historians.

So why should I ask this guy? Who is he anyway?

And Fallen Lord...what are you anyway, a Druid or a Wiccan? You can't be both and do either one well. They are too dissimilar. Read a book called "Rite and Ritual in the Celtic World". If you are a Wiccan, you will get your eyes opened. So Mote It Be!