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Old 26th October 2002, 23:46
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Halloween Origins

History traces Halloween back to the ancient religion of the Celtics. The Celtic priests who carried out the rituals in the open air were called Druids, members of pagan orders in Britain, Ireland and Gaul, who generally performed their rituals by offering sacrifices, usually of animals, but sometimes of humans, in order to placate the gods. Halloween derives its name from an older English term, All Hallow's Eve, although its traditions derive from pagan worship. An important source of the customs of Halloween was the Druidic religion." Halloween still carries its pagan significance. Halloween is still an observance of death. It is a day dedicated to idolatry, fear, death and the occult. You cannot celebrate those things to the glory of God.

What is the origin of costumes?
On the evening of October 31st, the Druids ordered the people to put out their hearth fires. Then they built huge new year's bonfires of oak branches, which they considered sacred. They burned animals, crops and human beings as sacrifices to their gods and goddess. During this diabolical ritual the PEOPLE WORE COSTUMES made of animal heads and skins. They then practiced divination, looked for omens in the struggle of the victims sacrificed in the fires, jumped over the flames or dashed through them, danced and sang.

What is the origin of Trick or Treat?
The Druids in Ireland would go through the neighborhoods and countryside on the eve of October 31st to collect offerings to Satan. They would carry lanterns, bags of money, and canes with very sharp points on the ends (currently known as leprechaun staffs, good luck horns, or fairies' wands). At each house, they would demand a specific amount. If the household would not or could not give the offering (penance or treat), the Druid would use the cane to castrate the male human or one of their prize animals.

The Jack-O-Lantern

Ancient symbol of a damned soul. The candlelit pumpkin or skull...served as a beacon for the sabbat and as a signal to mark those farms and homes that were sympathetic to the Satanists and thus deserving of mercy when the terror of the night (Halloween) began."

Relationship of black cats & cats in general with Halloween?
Druids believed the cat was sacred and...Those cats had once been changed (from being human and reincarnated) into that form as punishment for evil deeds.

Halloween is harmful

1. Many are exposed to Witchcraft and occult practices at Halloween activities

2. It provides "an acceptable" opportunity for witches and other occultists to promote pagan beliefs

3. Children and even adults are conditioned to be receptive to occult doctrines and practices and are desensitized by the violence and death associated with it’s celebration

Halloween is desensitizing our children by its glorification of violence, death, mutilation and gore. Not only do they expose them to it, they glorify it!

Fear caused by Halloween can have detrimental affects on people.

The final reason that Halloween is harmful is because…
4. It provides the opportunity to experiment with the occult to see if it works and an excuse to do evil


Now you have a brief historical sketch of Halloween. Is there any doubt that Halloween is a pagan worship day? Halloween is doubtless the only day that you would even consider honoring the devil, witches, ghosts, vampires and perverse acts. Why honor Satan and his demons at all?




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Old 27th October 2002, 19:49
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BEN - THAT IS A BRAVE POST.

I stand with you 100%

I know that for many it is simply 'fun'.
I know that for those who would discourage people from getting involved - we are called 'spoil-sport' - or worse !!

But you cannot put candy and sugar on the Devil's works and try and hide it. All the schools in our town (non-christian in many instances) are running a combined 'Youth Event' on the 31st. so kids have a viable alternative to their being exposed to evil forces.

Satan has a great way of fulfilling his Bible image of being 'an angel of light'- whilst actually dispencing the kind of sickness and sadness that you describe. OK - it's not like that for 90% of the population, but it a front door access for the nieve.

Andrew
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Old 28th October 2002, 00:23
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Halloween Origins
who generally performed their rituals by offering sacrifices, usually of animals, but sometimes of humans,in order to placate the gods.
In the Bible God tells to spray blood on the alter before an animal sacrifice is placed. As to the human sacrifices, it can be argued that the Inquisition was a way to appease God with human sacrifices.

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Halloween still carries its pagan significance. Halloween is still an observance of death. It is a day dedicated to idolatry, fear, death and the occult. You cannot celebrate those things to the glory of God.
That depends on your defenition of God.

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They burned animals, crops and human beings as sacrifices to their gods and goddess.
In easter Europe the Inquisition used ovensto burn people, who were rubbed with grease and roasted alive. All in the name of God.

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During this diabolical ritual the PEOPLE WORE COSTUMES made of animal heads and skins.
Well not many Gap stores were open in those days.

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They then practiced divination, looked for omens in the struggle of the victims sacrificed in the fires, jumped over the flames or dashed through them, danced and sang.
Nothing thats not seen in the Bible.


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What is the origin of Trick or Treat?
The Druids in Ireland would go through the neighborhoods and countryside on the eve of October 31st to collect offerings to Satan.They would carry lanterns, bags of money, and canes with very sharp points on the ends (currently known as leprechaun staffs, good luck horns, or fairies' wands). At each house, they would demand a specific amount. If the household would not or could not give the offering (penance or treat), the Druid would use the cane to castrate the male human or one of their prize animals.
This has to be the most moronic and unresearched thing I have ever read. The tradition originated in England in the 12th century. Poor people would go to the houses of Nobles and as for food. In return they would pray for the soul of that Nobles family members.

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Ancient symbol of a damned soul. The candlelit pumpkin or skull...served as a beacon for the sabbat and as a signal to mark those farms and homes that were sympathetic to the Satanists and thus deserving of mercy when the terror of the night (Halloween) began."
Again totally unresearched. Jack was a prankster who tricked many people and also the devil, when he died he went up to heaven but was not allowed in. So he went down to hell and because he tricked the devil before, he was also denied entry to hell. He was given a lantern and told to go and look for a place to rest his soul.

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Halloween is harmful

1. Many are exposed to Witchcraft and occult practices at Halloween activities
And?
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2. It provides "an acceptable" opportunity for witches and other occultists to promote pagan beliefs
AND????
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3. Children and even adults are conditioned to be receptive to occult doctrines and practices and are desensitized by the violence and death associated with it’s celebration
Need i remind you how violent the Bible is?

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Halloween is desensitizing our children by its glorification of violence, death, mutilation and gore. Not only do they expose them to it, they glorify it!
The Bible exposes Children to violence, death, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, prostitution, mutilation, gore and death. Oh and no. We dont glorify it.

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It provides the opportunity to experiment with the occult to see if it works and an excuse to do evil
Yeah, im sure you would prefer if people would just shut up, stop questioning the Bible and go to church every week.


[i]Now you have a brief historical sketch of Halloween. Is there any doubt that Halloween is a pagan worship day?[/quote]Its never been denied that Halloween is a pagan day of worship.


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Halloween is doubtless the only day that you would even consider honoring the devil, witches, ghosts, vampires and perverse acts. Why honor Satan and his demons at all?[b]
As a witch i can tell you this. We do not worship the devil. As i know vampires i will speak for them, they too dont worship the devil. As i dont know any ghosts i wont speak for them.


Next time I suggest you look up information form an unbiased source, rather than something pulled off a redneck Christian web site.
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Old 28th October 2002, 00:35
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So, why is Christianity not considered a PAGAN RITUAL. What makes it different. Careful, when answering.

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Old 28th October 2002, 01:01
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SO - IT SEEMS WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE OF OPINION............

WHAT'S NEW !! :

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Old 28th October 2002, 01:03
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careful?

Bill are you standing in for the Devil here?
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Old 28th October 2002, 01:07
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Orwells book? Bad is good,,Good is bad!
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