how to distinguish religious from others

Greetings Evelyn,
The story on Baylor was in the July 2nd addition of the Houston Chronicle. The contradictions regarding the bible, what
subject are you interested in?
I am gladd that you have kindness, tranquility, bliss and peace. I wonder how those feel who have been designated as sub-human by the faith that has given you all the good stuff.
If they are going to change the meaning of Genesis I and II, where does that leave GOD?
Do we still need her? I mean if she didn't do all that which is in Genesis I and II,
what made her so famous? Lot of Squirming going on.
Good Luck,
Bill

[leone]

I have to reply to Nonson only because I feel that the use of words he chose says smth. about he/she:idiotic, range, concoction, stupidity etc.I doubt greatly about your intellectual abilities no matter what straightway thinks about them. The words above don't prove it. High-flown generalizations you use have no factual basis and what they really have-the hatred against those who dared to defend Christianity.
Let it be yours- but let us keep on stating what we think to be eternal truth:no ideas stripped of its devine support in religious justification- what is teleological meaning of any natures acts-the human speech is not excluded- can be productive.The fight with morality and religion leads to death of Western civilization. But let it be so, if the civilization deserves it.But let those who stand for the real force which justifies our existence here to take sides and defend our cause against ignorance, pervertness and
anti-religios hatred and immorality.But it's not my main point to be engaged in fruitless
arguements.The point is that those who stand for resurection of christian WAY of life have to prove it- in their personal rejection of consummerism, nad immorality.

Greetings Leone,
There is one small problem with what you posted. Those who follow the same faith that you advocate are the law breakers, the hate mongerers, the false witnesses, the adulterers, the cheaters, etc, etc. I will admit that they do not have exclusive right to these virtues. Further, not knowing you
personally, I am giving you a pass. However, I know these kind of people. Their personal life is not a good example for anybody. They talk a good game. In Texas we say, Big hat,
no Cattle. What I find is, that most of them are running from their past and praying like hell. It seems that most of them have left one dependency for another. Of course, they are all going to heaven. Give me a break.
Good Luck

[Mission010]

Christianity is not without its joy, to know God is the best thing that can accompany a person throughout their life, it is the basis of all true happiness. The problem comes when people convert others to Christianity with the promise of "happiness in this life" this decieves a person into thinking life with Christ will be an easy road, when in fact "narrow is the road and full of hardship is the path that leads to eternal life."(paraphrase) But we also remember that we do not have to bear the burden of life alone, Jesus said "my yoke is easy and my burdeen is light" just remember it is still a burden!!!
I feel I must address the idea that Christians have caused more people to be put to death than any other in the world.
Here is the test: wwere they following the commands of their leader? Can we attribute the rage of many peoples to Christ and his group of true followers, just because they say they were His? If someone were to kill someone when I told that person to give a gift to the one he killed, would I be to blame? See the point? What is done in the name of Jesus, is not truly associated with Jesus, unless, it is under His direct command. Where do we find an excuse to murder in "Love your neighbor as yourself"?
-For His Kingdom!

[Nonson]

leone & MISSION010: liars adopt the antiquated practice of mis-statement, evasion, and pathetic equivocation to avoid the burning glare of their shame. Making no pretense of intellectual elitism here, nor even trying to always be rational with so-called Christians, I will fully defer to your(leone)demonstrated ability to render accurate judgements in such matters. As for the alledged 'generalizations' made by myself in the previous posts, one can but answer that in response to 'the patently absurb' the only possible course is to generalize if one is not to appear as ignorant as the one being responded to.(my Churchill refusal). However, if either or both of you should have some desire to demonstrate publically your 'certain' knowledge of things religious(especially Christianity)I am at your service. There is but one caveat, that being that you select one subject matter only and remain steadfastly on that subject till the RESOLUTION. Structure the argument in whatever form suits you, so long as it does not impress others as being totally ludicrous. Hopely, by this most tested method of inquiry we each might discover what lantern lights our souls. I await your pleasure. Peace

Greetings To All,
We are on record about our feelings on Christianity. Mission010 makes a very fair statement on how things should be. The problem is that it has never worked, it is not working now, it will not work in the future. The following article has been altered only so I would not be in copy-right
violation. The facts are correct the names
I have deleted.
In todays Houston Chronicle,(7/4/00)on page
27A there is an article: "Teen Charged In Attack On Jewish Boy". The article goes on to say that a 13 year old boy has been charged with assulting a Jewish classmate because of his religion. This youth is the fourth student (In the same town) arrested in recent weeks for alleged anti-semitic crimes against the same Jewish Boy. The article goes on to describe the various illegal hate crimes in detail. The irony of the article is that the name of the town is Santa Fe, Texas.
If the name rings a bell with some of you it is because this same town had a recent case in front of the US Supreme Court. The case
was about public prayer over the loud speakers during football games and other
public events. The school insisted that this was their right under freedom of religion.
The court ruled against the school stating that this would infringe on other peoples
religious rights and infact it would be an attempt by the Christians to indoctrinate
other faiths with their "Religious Rituals."
The students acting on what they learned someplace, probably at home, decided that if they can't impose their dogmas on the Jews, using "Religious Rituals" they will use terrorism and violence. Unfortunately, this is not only happening in Santa Fe, Texas, it is happening everywhere. Unfortunately, it is not only happening against Jews, it's happening against Hindus, Muslims and others. The Christians and their hate mongering church elders have decleared all other faiths as substandard and subhuman. There is only one God and it's their God. Anybody who worships any other God is a devil worshipper. Santa Fe and other places where violence has taken place and will take place, are the result of the hatred being spread by Christians.
I rest my case.
Good Luck.




[This message has been edited by B.Ungaro (edited 04 July 2000).]

[Straighterway]

Dear B. Ungaro,

if i only had more time. u r coming up with accusations at an amazing speed and i have so little free time to respond to them. i intend to look up the articles u r talking about.

thanx for ur info on the source. last time i asked u where did the conviction that the Gospels contradict each other on the birth of Christ was coming from. [and it is plain false, as u have had a chance to find out, and now u won't deny it, i hope] it looks like it was a jump-conclusion coming from a special atheistic magazine that chewed up and cooked the selected passages of the Word especially so that they wouldn't fit toghether. there's a good word in Russian for this kind of activity, i don't know if there's an English equivalent.

in other words, what have u been reading?

let's make sure we are not arguing about something we are agreeing on, though.

let me make it clear: i have NO REASON, MOTIVATION or DESIRE to defend the church that calls itself church of Christ but really works the complete opposite of Christ's commands. this is what Mission, i think, was able to get across to u. <congratulations, M, u had better luck than i did>

on the other hand, i have great reasons and motivation to defend the teaching of God according to the Bible[Who u say does not exist], the existence of the good that came out of the teaching of Christ= the existence of the true Church and its good fruit[which u say does not exist either], and the need & hope for spread of the *true* Christianity [which u reject as well].

so please keep this in mind while responding to my posts, and it's no use bringing to my attention the doings of the false church because i know of them and i am not here to defend them. i am here to try to show u that 'other side' that u asked to be shown in one of ur previous posts.

now i'm gonna get some facts to help ur misinformation at some points.

btw, one preacher made an interesting statement: "atheists are the most irrational people in the world- they spend their whole life fighting God without admitting that He's even there." i paraphrase without comments. any thoughts?

dear leone and nonson, i think u guys are letting our friend here have a good laugh at Christian unity and mutual affection.

to whomever it may concern- the first rule of any duel is to respect ur opponent.

luv 2 all, Ev.