Christian(?)ity

[Mission010]

-B. Ungaro
Unless Christianity never promised "bliss," we've been over this before too, where did you read that Chritianity promised bliss? Jesus, my Saviour told us that we would "take up our cross and follow Him" nothing about bliss.
Further, you go on and on about our dependencies. If you look at human nature, every one of us has dependencies, think about it a minute, you say that your life is consumed with your family and friends, people in your life. So you are dependent on human beings! So how can you judge that my dependency is worse then yours? Think about all the people and things and possibly even money and job that you are dependent on. Just think about it a bit, and then respond to me please....

Greetings Mission 010,
Granted, that I have an interdependent relationship with my Family, Friends, Jobs,
Hobbies, Plans, Projects, Memories and even
Money. These are all REAL and not imaginary.
Big DIFFERENCE. I would not normally object
to your kind of DEPENDENCE. The problem is that it is being presented as a SUPERIOR
type of existance. The kind that everyone should seek and without which one can not obtain fulfilment. Some even go as far as to say that those who do not believe in the
SUPERNATURAL are SUBHUMAN. Hello. Can we get serious for a moment? What is going to happen
when all this talk about CREATION by a SUPERNATURAL goes down the tube like all other BIBLICAL teachings have? They are squirming already. Have you noticed the shift away from Genesis towards a new DOGMA
called: Intelligent Beginning? READ ALL ABOUT
IT. It is in the papers. It has made it to the courts. Soon it will be on the Evening News. Look for real things in your life. I think you will like it.
Good Luck.

[Mission010]

Hi B
Personally I rather enjoy being independent of the worries about my job, money, even people. I don't have to depend on them. Yes they are a big part of my life but I feel it is a good thing that if all that was taken away, I would still have a reason to live. People have let me down, they will again. There has been times that I have been out of a job, or out of money, but I've always been provided a place to stay and food to eat. Jesus is in my life to provide all those things, so I "don't have to worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow has enough worries of its own." (Jesus). Anyway, I'm glad you are such a family oriented person, I am too. Without my family's love and support life would be a lot tougher. I thank God for them.
I think though, that you need to see that I ENJOY the dependence on God. It is not a bondage but a freedom for me.
I would admit to you though that there are those who call themselves Christians who are really people who just want to have a social life and can't find it anywhere except in a church. Now, i have no condemnation for any person former drug addict or not, who really decides that they are going to live their whole life for Jesus. I would save my criticisms for those who go to church to find acceptance from people rather than a relationship with Jesus.
And now I ask a favor, please stop generalizing. Yes, many "Christians" are hypocrites, many have started wars, many are racist, many are bad people. Just so with Athiests, many are in prison, many have murdered, many are drunks, many are racist, many are drug addicts. That doesn't make you one does it? Rather, please accept the true meaning of "Christian" when translated from the original Greek it means "little Christs" True Christians follow the works of Jesus, model their lives after Him, and use the Bible as a foundation of Truth in their lives. If you have a problem with "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth..." that's ok, but why assign to me the addled thinking of the newspapers and the evening news, I don't place faith in the "experts," but in Jesus. Instead, do me a favor, and call the problem material that you get from media and history the works or belief of "so-called, or those who say they are..... Christians" I'd appreciate it.
Otherwise I'm going to have to have to assign the words of every athiest, as though it were your own idea, just because you both believe that God isn't real... understand my point?
And maybe I can't prove to you that God is real, but does that neseccarily mean He isn't? And, if I were to believe and were mistaken, who would it hurt? I fully believe He is real, and an active part of my life, is that a problem?
Anyway, food for thought. Take care. God bless :0)

[Curious]

B- Please no more quoting my governor.
Thank you.
If you would like that ("religion is a sham for the weak minded individual") as a sound bite to be played every time you start up your computer, my brother does a mean Jessi Ventura, I could send you the file.

FYI, In my personal opinion, quoting Jessi Ventura does NOT add to you creditablity.
Thanks.
Smiles,
-your resident Minnesotian

Greetings,
Mission010 you are a fair minded person. My love and concern goes out to you. Curious,
I did not know that Jesse was such an enlightened person. Could it be that he is quoting me? I had that stand for years, and voiced it. Again reality is the key. Jesus
was a historical person. History and science
speaks loudly and convincingly against him being the son of God. This being the foundation on which Christianity is built, it renders Christianity just another SUPPERSTITION. This also explains why Christianity has had such a SORRY record. The whole thing is nothing but a SHAM. Starting with VIRGIN MARRY and the VIRGIN
BIRTH and such things as the DEVIL and the HOLY SPIRIT and REDEMPTION without atonement,
all are just another PAGAN sceem. Based on old Jewish stories, some of it found in the Old Testament, it is told that Marry was a kept woman who was impregnated (knocked up) a Roman Soldier. Give some thought to this possibility. Where would that leave Christianity? Again, spirituality based on reality is what we should seek. Fulfilment based on makebelief, and superstition can not be a lasting thing and it will only result in crises. Check out the history of Christianity.
Good Luck.
Ps: I am not a Jew.

[Curious]

Hi! A few comments to add. No mud-flinging here, I really didn't find any comment worthy of my flinging mud at it. Plus, it gets my delicate hands ever so dirty!

"I did not know that Jesse was such an enlightened person."
I still don't know that he is. ;-)

"Jesus was a historical person."
Historically speaking, yes.

When talking about science, let's keep in mind that a theory is not a fact until it is proven. If there is any doubt, it is still a theory. This is not completely directed to your argument, and is by no means a "counter" to your argument, but is merely a statement we all should remember.

Faith can never be proven, nor is it ever suppose to be. To have "faith" in something 100% certain requires no faith.

"Again, spirituality based on reality is what we should seek."
I agree. Now, may I ask you, is the color green I see the same color green you see? Or is your green what I would call a "red" ?


"Fulfilment based on makebelief, and superstition can not be a lasting thing and it will only result in crises."
Very ture.

Peace, smiles, and a mud-free world,
Curious

[Mission010]

But, it isn't a proven fact that Mary got "knocked up" by a Roman guard. This is not in any history book, and it cannot be proved that it happened. Obviously, there are many ways that Mary could have become pregnant, everyone has thought about that. But could you give me the name of a reliable history or science text that completely disproves the Bible? I don't think you could, but give it a try. And please don't feel sorry for me. Nice talking to you B.