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Old 17th February 2001, 04:49
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Almighty GOD


The ONENESS of God as seen in Christianity and Islam, the sources are mainly the Bible, and Quran.




Tries to Worship Human Beings Christianity (Bible)

"In Lystra there sat a man crippled in his feet, who was lame from birth and had never walked. He listen to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed and called out, "Stand up on your feet!" at that, the man jumped up and began to walk.
When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have come down to us in human form!" Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker."

Acts 14:8-12 Islam (Quran)

"They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God (Allah): there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."

Quran 9:31

Worshipping Angels



"Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize."
Colossians 2:18 "Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and Patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after you have bowed your will (to Allah in Islam)?"
Quran 3:80
"One Day He will gather them all together, and say to the angels, "Was it you that these men used to worship?"

Quran 34:40

Worshipping Other Gods


"So Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, "Get rid of the foreign gods you have with you, and purify yourselves and change your clothes."
Genesis 35:2 "Were you witnesses when Death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will you worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship your God (Allah) and the God (Allah) of your fathers,- of Abraham, Isma'il (Ishmael), and Isaac, - the One (True) God (Allah): to Him we bow (in Islam)."
Quran 2:133

Foreign gods

(One of the Commandments) "You shall not have no other gods before me."
Exodus 20:3
"Serve Allah (God), and join not any partners with Him"...
Quran 4:36

Unique
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me."
Isaiah 46:9
..."there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)."
Quran 42:11

No Part from Him
"I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God."
Isaiah 45:5 "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only...He begets not, nor is He begotten"...
Quran 112:1-3

He is Present Everywhere
"Where can I go from your Spirit: Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast.
If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me," even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day for darkness is as light to you."
Psalm 139:7-12

"Don't you see that Allah (God) knows (all) that is in the between three, but He makes the fourth among them, - nor between five but He makes the sixth, -nor between fewer nor more, but He is in their midst, wheresoever they be; in the end He will tell them the truth of their conduct, on the Day of Judgment. For Allah has full knowledge of all things."
Quran 58:7

God is the Supreme King
"The Lord brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.
The Lord sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts. He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor.
For the foundations of the earth are the Lord's; upon them he has set the world."
1 Samuel 2:6-8

"It is Allah (God) that gives (you) Want or Plenty, and to Him shall be your return.".
Quran 2:245

..."Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who gives life and death"...
Quran 2:258

God Knows All Things


"And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered."
Matthew 10:30
"He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power his understanding has no limit."
Psalm 147:4-5
..."and his understanding no one can fathom."
Isaiah 40:28

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant. He takes an account of them (all), and has numbered them (all) exactly.".
Quran 19:94

"Say: "Whether you hide what is in your hearts or reveal it, Allah knows it all: He knows what is in the heavens, and what is on earth. And Allah has power over all things."
Quran 3:29

God does not Slumber or Sleep


"He(God) will not let your foot slip- he who watches over you will not slumber; indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.
Psalm 121:3-4

"Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)."
Quran 2:255


God is Just


"The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever.
The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous."
Psalm 19:9

"There is no god but He: that is the witness of Allah, His angels, and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise.".
Quran 3:18



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Old 17th February 2001, 18:13
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Allah is not G-d

I feel it necessary to refute Kazanova's cut and paste piece with one from an expert in the history of Semitic worship. If one correctly assesses the information given it is easily seen that the Muslims do not worship or even honor the G-d (Yahweh) to which both Christian and Jew pay homage. Indeed, it will be seen quite clearly that they are mere idol worshiping pagans who still follow the customs of their primitive ancestors. At no point does the Qur'an remove them from those ancient practices, but does instead codifies them into a very crude political/religious system. It is my belief that Muhammed was a brigand who saw a way to draw an illerate people to him for the sole purpose of robbery, conquest, and personal power. Most of it can be proven in a straight-forward manner, as has been evidenced in other posts of mine. The following is to show also that Islam is tied to Judaism and Christianity for the reason of survival. Without their support it (Islam) would come to naught.


"The word ‘Allah’ is a compound word with the definite article ‘Al’ with ‘Ilah’ meaning ‘That God’. Regarding the meaning of ‘Ilah’ whether the word is taken from ‘Waleha’ or ‘Aleha’ meaning "Puzzling, referred to", the word has been used in both the senses, and its use for a deity is justified in either sense. Hence it is used for any object of worship to which man can submit or surrender or devote his sacrifices."[ 6 ]


Consulting Alfred Guilluame for further exploration into the meaning of Allah:

"The oldest name for God used in the Semitic word consists of but two letters, the consonant ‘l’ preceded by a smooth breathing, which was pronounced ‘Il’ in ancient Babylonia, ‘El’ in ancient Israel. The relation of this name, which in Babylonia and Assyria became a generic term simply meaning ‘god’, to the Arabian Ilah familiar to us in the form Allah, which is compounded of al, the definite article, and Ilah by eliding the vowel ‘i’, is not clear. Some scholars trace the name to the South Arabian Ilah, a title of the Moon god" [ 7 ]


Upon this understanding of Pre-Islamic pagan Mecca, the Identity of The Moon god should be explored.

Allah - Moon god of Mecca?


Those who hold firmly that the Qur’an is not the inspired word of God, and that Allah as mentioned in the Qur’an is nothing more than one of the pagan Idols worshipped in Pre-Islamic Arabia, (Allah specifically by the Quraysh tribe in Mecca) do so based on the Identity of this Idol in conjunction with Islamic rituals.

According to the ‘Moon god argument’, The Quraysh tribe regarded Allah as the Moon god, and was symbolised by the crescent star, which interestingly is the flag of Islam. The Quraysh believed that Allah married the sun goddess and bore 3 daughters:

Al-Lat, Al-‘Uzza, and Manat, interestingly the Qur’an mentions these names in Sura 53:19-20. Many translations are quoted for comparison:

"Have you seen Lat, and’Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat?" [ 8 ]


"See ye then (the Idols) Lat and the Uzza? And Manat, the third (idol) besides?" [ 9 ]




"Have you then considered the Lat and the Uzza, And Manat, the third, the last?" [ 10 ]


"Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs) And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?" [ 11 ]


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