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Old 22nd February 2001, 23:32
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Isaiah against revelation

ISAIAH 21,8 And he cried, A lion (Rev. 5,5; 9,11) ... (see EZEKIEL 22,25 ; I PETER 5,8 and PSALM 22,13)
21,9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen (Rev. 6,2-8; 9,16-19). And he answered and said (Rev. 14,8; 18,2) : Babylon is fallen, is fallen ...
21,10 O MY THRESHING , AND THE CORN OF MY FLOOR , that which I have heard of the Lord of hosts, the God of Isreal, have I declared unto you. !!!

28,28 Bread corn is bruised; becouse he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen. (see EZEKIEL 10,13)

14.12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! (Rev 22,16) ...
14.13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven (Rev 4,1), I will exalt my thron above the stars of God (Rev 4,2), I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation (har mo`ed), in the sides of the north.
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Old 23rd February 2001, 18:11
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knjaz,

You are addressing a past master in the use of Scriptural passages to send a subtle message. So there is little chance that your disjointed efforts will achieve a desired effect. What is more likely to occur is your presenting yourself as a nut case, particularly with those who know nothing of your methods. Where I am concerned you have certainly missed the mark. Maybe it is because you overloaded the premise from which you work. Biblical quotation is effective only when there are receptive minds. Passages from this BOOK are not (necessarily) magical incantations that wards off the evil jinns, though many deluded christians(?) believe otherwise. Perhaps you are one of them.

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Old 23rd February 2001, 19:39
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Cool

If 666 is www, than 666 is very welcome.

Why religious people are so anxious to find people that have the same believes? If they don't find, they try to "convert", eventually by torturing and killing.
I believe it is because of they are just weak in their believe, and they need other people to confirm. Being weak in a belief means it is not what you really want.

Don't they have a personal meaning? Why have they always to defend their opinion with quotations from bible or koran? It are no more than a bunch of fairy tales and superstitions.

My opinion is that religion is something artificial. Something that is superposed on human nature. It allows some people to be more than others. They are the chosen and only believing in them will reserve you in a happy place in the life hereafter.
This is the most common trick of crooks: to promise something they can not make true. The beauty of this is that you will never know that you are being crooked .

Hey Guys, grown up.
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Old 23rd February 2001, 23:20
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Faith and demagogic manipulation are two ways, both between abstractness and concrete(ness), but with opposite directions. Which is yours (from-to)? Is it always?
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Old 24th February 2001, 17:13
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knjaz,

An interesting perversion of very ancient philosophical concepts. The problemis that you must know where you are before you can be "from" and know what vehicle to use before you can go "to". The abstract and concrete are co-respondents. Or one is an extension of the other. Perception is a synthe(ical) of the two.

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Old 24th February 2001, 17:35
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Why should I care for your own opinion?
Search for the key-words which you are using in Holy Bible (way,wheels-vehicles...).
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Old 24th February 2001, 18:18
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knjaz,

Terms like *way* and *vehicle* have a long history in both philosophy and religion. Both are utilized frequently in the Bible, as is known to any bible scholar. It is quite easy to find them in *common* Greek and *primitive* Aramaic. If there is some specific referents you have in mind please post them.

I did not mention wheels. So I have no idea of what you mean.

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