islam and democracy...the impossible union.

[kazanova3]

hi to all

before i answer some points i would like to ask AYMAN about his feeling regarding BUSH demogracy to iraqi people ( abugraib jail ) a nice example ? MR ayman . when i went to state years ago i found lovely nation BUT up to now we are facing bad goverments . just think about what prime minister of malaysia said ? ( about people guide americans to war ) and you may find an answer instead of blaming salafi's as the are the terrosit? don't lie please

and for more details about wahabi see this link

http://sultan.org/articles/wahabism.html


and about sufism see this link pls.

http://www.qss.org/articles/sufism/toc.html


and about salafi pls see this link


http://www.qss.org/articles/salafi/text.html

and for some scholars pls see this

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/default.asp



hope i answerd some points thanks to all and have a nice time

[aymanfawzy1970]

good morning...first i would like to say something for mr. rain...look rain i don't hate you because i don't know anything about you unless your first name and your nationality...that's all and your religion isn't a good reason for anyone to hate you be sure and there is another reason is that god ask me to love my enemy ...my enemy...and you are (sure) not my enemy so why should i hate you? i have spent more than 25 years as a amuslim going to the mosque even more than 5 times aday .
but i have spent years and years study the most famouse religion of this world specially jewish..christianity and islam and....
as much as iam convenced with the christianity as much as iam sure that islam is the biggest lie all over the human history because no lie at all befor islam couldn't attracts more than a billion people all over the world unless the podests they are more than islam but it has no relation at all with the god who created this universe .
look rain i don't care with you or any other person i just want all of you know that there is no one in this planet has a brain and study islam and quran and he may say this is religion from god.
for this reason and after years and years of study for islam and the other religions you will never ever find the way to convence me this is a good religion at all so why should i lie ? for a deplomatic affairs? iam not talking in an embasy iam talking in afree website and if anyone have one ..only one evidence that islam is a religion come from god or the muslims was in a day a something god iam here to talk to him and anyone has anything wrong to say about the christainity and the bible iam here too .
iam ready to talk to anyone because after 12 years involved in a high standard level of religions studies iam ready to answer anyone but the problem is not with me it's with you the muslims isn't ready to hear any thing aginst them religion trhey are not ready to accept the others but this is wrong mr. rain look at mr. shadowx and his question about the wrong facts in the first page of the bible what was my reply? you should be ready to protect your religion and to answer any one even if he has some bad thoughts about it not to blame him!!
iam not a 14 year old mentality iam a33 years old and a freelance specialist in religions.
and i don't care about mr. bush or mr. kery ...i don't care about the american democracy because the democracy is very old older the americ and older than islam and christianity...there is not american democracy or islamic democracy but there is a people ready to accept the basics of the democracy and improve it and there is a people couldn't accept it at all.
thank god mr. rain you are living in europ this is maybe the main reason you still keeping with your humanity.
and be sure that you manners and your tradition willnever give you the chance to living with the arabians...the men who created your religion ...because you are a european man muslim or not muslim you are a european man .
iam not a snake to put my poisons in my posts ...look dear friends iam sure that you will never understand my words unless you find a terrorits under your beds..jesus warned us befor from the faked prophets and he told us how could we know them and when i use his words i find it exactlly right with muslims.
do you know how i live in egypt?...because i said that i believe in jesus and i believe in the bible as the only word of god?...my family want to kill me...so is my friends and some other islamic groups...the egyptian polic want me to spend the rest of my life in the prison.
and now you come to say i hate you...icouldn't even hate them so why i hate you? .
be sure mr. rain that when became ready to accept the others then talk as you wish about islam or attack the bible or say anything but when you are not ready for that then please don't talk about islam as it is the perfect religion for the world!
god bless you.

[aymanfawzy1970]

hi kazanova i would like you know that no one in the world agree the what had happened in abugraib jail was something good..not because they couldn't deserve that but because this not the christian treatment with those people but about those people i want you know 3 points befor we talk about abou gharieb...:
1st. those people was not a person didn't find a bread tro eat for this reason they became a criminals no sir they are someone believe that they have to kill the american and if anyone of them has the opportunity to do that he willnever hesitate.

2nd those people didn't want to answer the american about the information they want to know why? because they believe that -i mean the prisoners of abu gharieb- this is njust a jorny with the american and they were sure that the americxan will give them 3 cleaning and healthy meals every day and they find a health care they will never have inbetween them people and after all of that they will be back in an american bus to them homes and family...isn't it the treatment of the american with them prisoners ? so why we should answer them?

3rd there was no way for american ...the american doldiers saw it every houre a an iraqi man come to kill some of them and he come to destroy what they want to build...what do you expect from a soldier saw his friend die inbetween his hand because of some of those people in abou gharieb.

in every war all over the human history there is some kind of this treatment...there is no army in the world carry chocolaate and sweets but guns and aother weapons...
but this doesn't mean that i agree but all they can do is to refuse this treatment and to punish anyone do it.
and i wouldlike to tell you something ...you will find many more abou- ghariebs in every islamic country all over the world ready to recept anyone say no to the leaders of these countries this isn't something new in iraq but this is something new for the christian manners...that's all
finally mr. kazanova stop talking about salafists and about wahhabists the main problem is in quran...in nislam and all what is going from america has no value ...because the muslims willnever change them mind that they are the right persons and no place for the others .there is only one way...to protect your countries and to leave the muslim in them countries with no help they don't need you they will never change they will never understand anything they believe in a fake holy book invite them to fighting the others ... just care with your own countries and get them out of your countries and leave the muslims die inpeace i say it againe the muslims doesn't need you help and they willnever accept it at all .
they love them life style...
this is honestly what i believe.
god bless you

[kazanova3]

AYMAN hope u are ok . but let me ask some questions cos u said that u study BIBLE and first of all explain to me the following questions .

1- u said u spent 25 yrs in islam ok then u said that u study christianty 12 yrs and ur age 33 ? (u must be 37 at least ) not 33 yrs asu said { why u lie )

2- explain to me THE TRINITY? if u don't mind.

3-i suspect that u are a muslim before and u don't understand QURAN .(IT IS IN ARABIC LANGUAGE) unless u are not orginally arabian or u are not originally muslim ?

4- I knew americans as alovely nation cos i spent working with americans 26 years . (but still don't like the adminstration policy towards (middle east)

6-finally up to date no WEAPONS found ? what a shame lie in americans history ?

DEAR ayman if u want to give a bad picture about islam it is up to u . BUT u must respect muslims members on this board . and don't put poison inside ur words about muslims.

Best regards

[aymanfawzy1970]

good evening dear kazanouva...
befor i answer you question because iat first i want to translate the meaning of the trinity in the christianity but any way i will answer your question about my age i said that i have spent more than 12 years in studing islam this means that i started to study the religions when i was a muslim when i was 21 years old because on this time i was going to know the trouth i was looking for the trouth because quran as i see full of lies why? mohamed said that he left for us 2 things if we follow it we willnever get lost then the quran and his sonah ? but not even one islamic country all over the world became as great as the other countries specially the christians so there is something in islam for this reason i think there is something wrong i have to discovered it and i really discoverd it but this is not the right place to discuse it with you.
anyway befor i send you my post about the trinity i hope you visit this website:
http://www.exmuslim.com
maybe this will give you some answers for your question
you questions about america i hope you know thaty iam not american and you may ask any american for anything in a realtion with the american politics in the mid-east but as i said befor i don't believe that america will success because of one reason...the quran is not ready to deal with the others there is no equality in islam.
anyway i respect the muslims at least they believe in one god for this universe as much as we all believe in
god bless you my friend

[kazanova3]

pls, answer me about TRINITY? according to ur study pls. don't mix politics with religion . u said that u converted to chrestianty , it means that u understand TRINITY .pls explain it . this is my question . or give me an answer to this simple question {According to most Christians, Jesus was God incarnate, full man and full God. Can the finite and the infinite be one? "To be full" God means freedom from finite forms and from helplessness, and to be "full man" means the absence of divinity. }also MR AYMAN can u explain this {{{{Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?


have a nice time ayman

[C-Force]

hmmm... Aymanfawzy, are you having a conversation with yourself?