LEV TOLSTOY

[Marcelle]

Mean and neglectful Hatta!!!
Too busy eh?

[Tugay-bey]

Originally posted by uzbek
Chingiz Khans invesion of central aisa
was the worst invesion in the history.
There in central asia uzbeks say there was no such awfull invesion
till chngiz khan and never will be in the future.
After centuries of those events you see still
uzbeks has alergy with everything related with monngols and with chengiz khan.
While Tamerlan started to kick out mongols from central asia (lately form russia)
people supported him.and even these days he is accepted as great anti mongol hero
in uzbekistan.
Tamerlan first supported Tokhtamish control on russia.he thought he will act
in his interests but while invesion of Iran by tamerlan army when large part of
army concentreted there
Tokhtamish did in some serious raids to turkistan that of course ended with
battle between them in russia (if i am not mistaken battle was somewhere near moscow,or not?).
Battle of Tokhtamish was last strongest strike on still living mongol empire on
russian territory.
Ýf ask myu opinion about that i think he was right when he destroyed tokhtamish army.

You're pretty much have hit the nail right on the head,uzbek-jun.Tokhtamish-khan was the last of Chingisides,still clanging to the idea of the Altin-Orda and the Chingis-khan's Yasa.He represented the last remnants of the old Mongolian rule.
Timur-bek,on the other hand,was of the new waive,marrying Islam with his own brand of ruling to the Middle Asia.As opposed to Mongol's "people's army",he had an army of professionals(gulyams).Timur-Aksak,s gulyams tore Tokhtamish-khan's recrut army to pieses at Volga river(not near Moskow).With this victory the Grand Orda seised to exist.Even though the Kok-Orda(Siberia) and the Ak-Orda(Lower Volga) still existed for some time,the grand empire,built by the Chingisides,was destroed.And the last blow was delivered by Tumur-bek.It 's very strange for me to watch the "History Channel" portpaing Timur as a "Mongol".Nothing,and I do mean NOTHING,can be further from the truth!!! In Timur-Aksak's time,there was NO bigger enemy of the Mongols,as was the Iron Timur!The ignorance of the Western "historians" never sieses to amaise me...
To answer your earlier question,uzbek-jun,I'm a Crimean Tatar,born and raised on Sakhalin Island,Russia,proud sitizen of the US of A now.Ex-Soviet Naval Infantry(sniper).Ex-Azerbyjuny National Guardsman(sniper).Now-a carpenter,and damn good one,too!
And what about you,kardash? What's your background?
PS.Why do you call Timur-bek(Timur-Aksak) by his "Europian" name Timerlan? BTW,his mousoliem in Samarkand was untouched for centuries.There was a curse put on anyone,who'd open it.And Soviet "arkheologists" did open it on......June 21,1941.And on the next morning,the curse came true.......

[Marcelle]