Religion and Politics

[EkFugo]

I agree with Andrew, the second post: YES, religion and politics DO mix.

Especially in a country like the USA, where the people are empowered to have a voice, it is one's duty to be socially responsible.

Personally, I believe that a person of Judeo-Christian background has an OBLIGATION to present his moral and ethical values into the political arena. I believe that he shall be held accountable for his political activity, or his lack of activity.

[dj_who_kid]

Originally posted by Niquie
You don't know him.

Well, he still must like me enough to comment.

Ever wonder why librarians across the country are so riled up, along with countless politicians, judges, etc.? Ever wonder how it happens that this country can pick you up off the street, charge you with NOTHING, hold you INDEFINITELY and DEPRIVE you of counsel? Can you say "Patriot Act?" -- a little something brewed up in the cauldron of hysteria by the Bush Administration.

I ask if the Patriot Act has changed your life in any way? Have you been picked off the street, charged with nothing and held indefinitely? Have your friends? Acquitances? Who has? A couple hundred financiers of Hamas. An outrage!

You don't have to take it, you don't have to like it, but you could at least make an attempt to undertand that SOMEHOW, this country had to level the playing field and Affirmative Action did just that. And when I talk about leveling the playing field, I am talking leveling it for American citizens who where born here, who paid their FEERAL AND STATE taxes and were disenfranchised for decades and never stood a chance or getting ANY federally funded jobs, scholarships, whatever.

Isn't this another form of welfare or grandfathering? It does more bad than good. USA seems to owe everyone. Russia had serfs longer than USA had slaves. Maybe Russia owes Russians?? But seriously, you have to be kidding if you think Affirmative Action is not racism. "Leveling the playing field" can happen WITHOUT introducing RACIAL QUOTAS. This is a racist idea. Most successful people are successful because they wanted to be something in life. Without motivation and drive, even your magical "leveling" won't work. You'll see, but then again, when this becomes clear people will point to the White Devil again. Easier to blame others than yourself....

Then your station must have the liquor concession and the all-night adult video store.

Don't know what this means. I won't comment except saying that I hope this was a joke that I don't understand.

That isn't what the statement infers. But if you want to rear your "seed" all by yourself, then remember to tell your mother-in-law to shut the hell up when she "interfers," tell the teachers not to butt in, tell the crossing guard your kid CAN TOO run into the street and by all means, tell the policeman your child can find his own way home, even if he's six and lost.

What a horrible exaggeration you just made. I believe Clinton's comment was more about SOCIALISM than about COMMON SENSE things.

GOTCHA! I never made such a statement. You have slapped a label on me because I dare to have a difference of opinion and one that is diametrically opposed to this administration. And this administration has dared to privatize the White House AND another soverign country -- all for personal profit. You just had to lower yourself to slapping me with a label, didn't you?

The label had nothing to with your difference of opinion. I wasn't even thinking about Hillary when I wrote the original phrase, but you talked about her so I figured my "label" would apply. I guess I assumed too much. Guess what though, the Clintons bombed more sovereign countries than Bush has. Now he gets paid millions to travel around and gloat. He is very poor too.

[EkFugo]

Niquie, UpSlider, I also agree with the two of you, that rights in the USA have been terribly trampled lately!

I was in the USA recently, and I noticed right off that the basic fundamental right of people, established as the Common Law in the US, pre-dating the US Constitution, taking higher precedent over Statutory Law, rooted and founded in the Declaration of Independence as the most basic right given by God to men, namely, the right to LIFE, was being trampled on in the worst way! The most innocent among them, babies, are denied their right to live in order to protect the privacy of another! Massacre!

Free speech is being SQUASHED all throughout the states as religious proffessionals: priests, pastors, ministers, etc, are forbidden by goverment from speaking to their congregations about politics!

Religious freedom is under attack EVERYWHERE as citizens are forbidden to display religious symbols, monuments are being removed from parks and public buildings, municipalities are passing laws banning public preaching and prayer. Religious meetings are banned from public places, even from public view!

Judges are flaunting the Statutory Law, the Common Law, and the will of the people as established through the vote and are making up their own rules overturning established institutions like marriage by court order!

A cultish religion is being forced-fed to children begining in pre-school! Children are being indoctrinated forcibly into the state sponsored religion of humanistic evolution with the worst kind of lying propaganda!

Parent's rights to raise their children and teach them the truth through homeschooling are being steadily eroded as the government pressure to brainwash everyone with the universal religion of evolution increases!

We could go on and on, example after example, of how personal freedoms in the US are steadily being put down as universal government becomes more and more real.

EkFugo

[dj_who_kid]

Originally posted by EkFugo
Reparations, Booger?

What about the blacks who held other blacks as slaves? The largest slave owner in Florida, and the second largest in Louisiana were black men.

Do we take money from ALL whites, and give to ALL blacks? What about those whites whose families didn't arrive in the US until AFTER slavery had ended?

What about those blacks who didn't arrive until after slavery had ended?

What about people who are half black, half white? Does it even out, just take half from him as a white man, and only give him half as a black man?

What if he's 3/5ths white? 3/5ths black?

Now, what about the Hispanics? Are they exempt? How about the Native Americans?

Yep, sounds like a good plan to me!

- EkFugo

Fugo, that is my original complaint. I was not born here, but my family and I are still subject to reverse racism. I feel no obligation for slavery but I am still supposed to sit back and nod my head in agreement as racial quotas are set up. No one helped my family when we came here. Where were the liberals when my father had 3 jobs? Taking our money, that's where.

[dj_who_kid]

Originally posted by EkFugo
Niquie, UpSlider, I also agree with the two of you, that rights in the USA have been terribly trampled lately!

I was in the USA recently, and I noticed right off that the basic fundamental right of people, established as the Common Law in the US, pre-dating the US Constitution, taking higher precedent over Statutory Law, rooted and founded in the Declaration of Independence as the most basic right given by God to men, namely, the right to LIFE, was being trampled on in the worst way! The most innocent among them, babies, are denied their right to live in order to protect the privacy of another! Massacre!

Free speech is being SQUASHED all throughout the states as religious proffessionals: priests, pastors, ministers, etc, are forbidden by goverment from speaking to their congregations about politics!

Religious freedom is under attack EVERYWHERE as citizens are forbidden to display religious symbols, monuments are being removed from parks and public buildings, municipalities are passing laws banning public preaching and prayer. Religious meetings are banned from public places, even from public view!

Judges are flaunting the Statutory Law, the Common Law, and the will of the people as established through the vote and are making up their own rules overturning established institutions like marriage by court order!

A cultish religion is being forced-fed to children begining in pre-school! Children are being indoctrinated forcibly into the state sponsored religion of humanistic evolution with the worst kind of lying propaganda!

Parent's rights to raise their children and teach them the truth through homeschooling are being steadily eroded as the government pressure to brainwash everyone with the universal religion of evolution increases!

We could go on and on, example after example, of how personal freedoms in the US are steadily being put down as universal government becomes more and more real.

EkFugo

Actually, more children than ever are being home schooled.

Why should priests have political opinions? They serve God and only His kingdom. I believe Middle East is suffering from this religious/political amalgam.

[Hattushil-]

Originally posted by Anyah
Do Religion and Politics mix?

Religion and politics definatelly should not mix...I can't beleive that people still argues about this matter in 21st century...Haven't we learnt from the destructions and the pains of so-called "Crusades" and "Jihads" yet?? Although some people do not realise,there is a reality,we can not achieve the peace in the world without seperating religious and political affairs...The mix of religion and politics allways tends to become extremism which generates hatred,nothing else...

[Hattushil-]

Originally posted by upSlider


If religion and state do not mix and faith should not be allowed to govern decisions of the governors or governed, then the result is at the very least socialism?

Is socialism a preferred form of government?

upSlider

Can you please explain what is the relation between socialism and a secular state? As far as i know EU is a secular union which consists of mainly secular states...Can you define the EU as a "union of socialist states"?? Furthermore,there is another example regarding this matter which disproves your argument,Turkey is a "secular" state consisting of 98% muslim population and she can not be defined as a "socialist state"...

I think the below quote very well explains the idea which lies under a secular state structure,

"The freedom of religious beliefs and conscience is one of the rights that can not be interfered, everyone is free to have his/her opinions. It is impossible to own another’s opinions or conscience.

I believe in my religion as I believe in the truth. Religion is a personnel matter. Everybody is free to regard his/her motives. We do not oppose any thought or expression. We are just trying to separate the religious and governmental affairs...

The Turkish State is laic. Every adult has the right to choose his/her religion. God is a metaphysical concept and it is difficult to comprehend this concept by human brain. However, religion is a very necessary institution. A race without religion can not survive.

Religion is a tie between God and the servant. We take our inspirations from life not from sky or from the invisible world. Our rout is drawn by the results that we have found from our homeland, the Turkish Nation and sorrowful pages of our Nation’s history."

M. Kemal Ataturk