DO you really believe God exist?

[voltaire-]

Originally posted by rikbe

I stand up for fascists? You really didn't get the point.
Besides, I do not see any difference between the Islamists and Fascists. Both want to exterminate those who are different.
I guess now you will say I am pro-Islamist.

Oh, I get the point just fine. A thread appears on THE around a theme of "killing Mooooslim monkeys" or whatever; and Rikbe says nothing, makes no objection whatsoever. Here, on the other hand, I use a photo of an old and frequently circulated anti-fascist sticker as a sig; and Rikbe expresses his shock and horror that anyone could use such an offensive image.

Like I say, what's good for one group should be good for all, so I look forward to your remonstrations with Carter et al.

It is also extremely revealing that you appear to think "Muslim" and "Islamist" are the same thing. Of course they are not, and it is simply untrue to suggest that "Muslims" per se want to exterminate others.


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[voltaire-]

Originally posted by rikbe

Who defines morality?
Moralities have always been dependant from circumstances.
Saying that dogmas or philosophies are morally equivalent or not is meaningless. You can only measure something with an absolute value.

Quite so. Which is why your original argument is (with all due respect) nonsense.


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[Hattushil-]

Originally posted by voltaire-


It is also extremely revealing that you appear to think "Muslim" and "Islamist" are the same thing. Of course they are not, and it is simply untrue to suggest that "Muslims" per se want to exterminate others.

In fact,it would be practically very difficult to exterminate others....

[rikbe]

Originally posted by voltaire-

Oh, I get the point just fine. A thread appears on THE around a theme of "killing Mooooslim monkeys" or whatever; and Rikbe says nothing, makes no objection whatsoever. Here, on the other hand, I use a photo of an old and frequently circulated anti-fascist sticker as a sig; and Rikbe expresses his shock and horror that anyone could use such an offensive image.

SHock??? Horror??? When? WHere? I am rarely chocked and never horrified.

THE is a forum where you can say what you think and where you don't get banned for a yes or a no. So if someone write to kill all Muslims, Fascists, whales or all new born children, it is not against the rules of THE. Here you can only appeal to kill all fascists.
My point was the hypocisy of this.
But you, as a true demagoge, press the wildest cunclusions of it.

It is also extremely revealing that you appear to think "Muslim" and "Islamist" are the same thing. Of course they are not, and it is simply untrue to suggest that "Muslims" per se want to exterminate others.
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I do not think Muslims and Islamists to be the same. I have been very clear about that. Another one of your wild accusations.

If someone would be shocked or horrified, it would be Voltaire because you (ab)use his name. HE was a man of reason.

[voltaire-]

Originally posted by rikbe

THE is a forum where you can say what you think and where you don't get banned for a yes or a no. So if someone write to kill all Muslims, Fascists, whales or all new born children, it is not against the rules of THE. Here you can only appeal to kill all fascists.
My point was the hypocisy of this.
But you, as a true demagoge, press the wildest cunclusions of it.

No, your point was to point-score, and now that you find your own motives under scrutiny you're squirming.

The original point you made wasn't actually about forum rules, but rather some waffle about "political correctness". If you want to raise that point about the importance of politically correct treatment of fascists then that's fine, but at least have the good grace to stick by it.

You either believe that your point is right, or you don't. The rules of which forum you're posting on at the time, are at best irrelevant to that question, at worst a conscious diversion thrown up by your to get yourself out of the hole you find yourself in. Therefore, on the basis of your original point, I continue to await your arguments in defence of Muslims on THE. But I don't think they're going to come. Which means it isn't me who's the hypocrite.

You know perfectly well that the point in my sig is rhetorical. I don't "call for death" to anyone, unlike some of your buddies.

And again, the fact that (in spite of your protestations to the contrary) in my quote from your post above you continue to morally equate Islam with Fascism, is extremely revealing. You think that the two creeds merit equal treatment, whereas I disagree with you about that. It seems to me therefore, that I'm not making "wild" accusations after all.

If someone would be shocked or horrified, it would be Voltaire because you (ab)use his name. HE was a man of reason.

I have done nothing more than scrutinise your motives for starting this debate, and you have reacted like a wounded animal.

BTW your sig is offensive towards religious people.


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[rikbe]

Originally posted by voltaire-

No, your point was to point-score, and now that you find your own motives under scrutiny you're squirming.

The original point you made wasn't actually about forum rules, but rather some waffle about "political correctness". If you want to raise that point about the importance of politically correct treatment of fascists then that's fine, but at least have the good grace to stick by it.

My point is still the same: pc and this forum.

You either believe that your point is right, or you don't. The rules of which forum you're posting on at the time, are at best irrelevant to that question, at worst a conscious diversion thrown up by your to get yourself out of the hole you find yourself in. Therefore, on the basis of your original point, I continue to await your arguments in defence of Muslims on THE. But I don't think they're going to come. Which means it isn't me who's the hypocrite.

Why should I defend Muslims on THE?

You know perfectly well that the point in my sig is rhetorical. I don't "call for death" to anyone, unlike some of your buddies.

Rethorical? I don't get the rethoric of it.

And again, the fact that (in spite of your protestations to the contrary) in my quote from your post above you continue to morally equate Islam with Fascism, is extremely revealing.

Islamism, notIslam. Again, you're deforming everything I say. Typical commie policy.

And I think it is extremely true, both are intolerant.

You think that the two creeds merit equal treatment, whereas I disagree with you about that. It seems to me therefore, that I'm not making "wild" accusations after all.

You say what you think that I think and you reply to it. You are arguing with yourself.

I have done nothing more than scrutinise your motives for starting this debate, and you have reacted like a wounded animal.

Oohh I'm so huuurt.

BTW your sig is offensive towards religious people.
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It is purely rethorical.
Doesn't religion brings hope, strenght and wisdom to whom that needs it?

[voltaire-]

Originally posted by rikbe

My point is still the same: pc and this forum.

Why should I defend Muslims on THE?

You just said it was about hypocrisy and forum rules. Make your mind up please. If you can't even settle on one or another foundation for your point then people will not take you seriously.

As for why you should defend Muslims on THE, I think you should do it to prove that your point is a sincere and consistent one. Since I don't think your point has either of those two qualities, I'm not holding my breath.

Rethorical? I don't get the rethoric of it.

You can say that again.

Islamism, notIslam. Again, you're deforming everything I say. Typical commie policy.

And I think it is extremely true, both are intolerant.

If you'll recall correctly, I initially raised a point about Muslims, and you responded with some denunciation of "Islamism". It's you who are deforming the point, not I. You drew the equals sign, I didn't.

As for the raving about "commies", could you say anything any more stale and hackneyed?

You say what you think that I think and you reply to it. You are arguing with yourself.

No, I'm taking you to task over what you say, and you're pretending to have said something else. You simply aren't coping well with scrutiny. Nothing more, nothing less.

Oohh I'm so huuurt.

I made a factual statement. It wasn't intended to wound you.

It is purely rethorical.
Doesn't religion brings hope, strenght and wisdom to whom that needs it?

Except that you think religious people are ignorant, weak and hopeless.

Like I say, before expressing your touching concern for the hurt feelings of fascists, perhaps you should put your own house in order.

BTW this thread is now waaaay off topic.


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