Spiritual Hunger

Greetings Curious American,

It is important that you read the postings accurately. It was not implied that MOST INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH CHRISTIANS
are recovering drug and alcohol abusers. The proper meaning of my postings is that, most of the above mentioned people who have been on this board, fit into that category. Jennacarana not being one of them. She is one who is difficult to categorize. I believe that she has stated that she believes in EVOLUTION, yet she is a STRONG CATHOLIC. ( I hope that I am not confusing her with someone else.)

Listen, I would like to know more about this HEALING thing, you mentioned. How does that work? Are you not a believer in MEDICINE?

I hope that your faith gives you comfort, still I have to warn you that all previous faiths are now acknowledged as
SUPERSTITIONS. Some of them had all the BELLS and WHISTLES
that the JESUS STORY has. Have you heard of ZOROESTER?
There are dozens of others.

Good Luck,

Bill

[Curious_American]

Greetings Bill,

I apoligize, I read into your previous statement a little too far. I like how you put that: "Industrial Strength Christians." I've never heard it stated that way before.

I do not dispute the practice of medicine. I think to avoid getting medical treatment would be foolish (though, I have met a few people who are anti-medicine). In fact I consider doctors and our medical abilities to be quite a blessing; however, medicine is not yet capable of everything. When it comes to "faith-based" healing, any and every affliction can be healed. Actually, earlier just this week, we had a church service that turned into a healing service. There were for people that were healed of injuries related to their back. One was healed of a severe Migrane headache. There was one who had mind afflictions (this would probably be the kind of person you would've been refering too) that we prayed for, and believe for. If I remember right, there were one or two who were addicted to drugs. There were several others, but the ones I've mentioned stick out in my mind.

When it comes to faith-based healing, the rule of thumb is believe it and recieve it. It has nothing to do with impressing God, because God is not a respector of the person. But God has made a blood covenent with his believers, and when we ask in His name, it stirs Him up. He has promised that when we ask in His name as believers, that we shall recieve. As Christ said, "Your faith has made you well."

Does that explain well enough how it works?

I have never heard of Zoroester. Is that a person, or a religion?

As for evolution, that would be an interesting discussion. Certain aspects of it I do not totally disagree with, but I am a creationist.

Thankyou,
Vince

Greetings Vince,

Do you think that believing in something MYTHICAL might be an AFFLICTION? Faith Healing is a MYTH and nothing else. Those who believe in it are a DANGER to themselves and those around them. The Rev. Benny Hinn should be in Jail, along with all other faith healers, and other CON ARTIST.

Positive attitude is important. Dependency on something that does not EXISTS is harmful.

Zoroaster, Romulus, Remus, Perseus, Mithras, Osiris-Aion, Agdistis, Attis, Tammuz, Adonis, Korybas, Dionysus are just some of the characters in Greek-Roman Mythology that the Jesus Story is based on. All of them were the products of Immaculate Conception, Virgin Birth. According to mythology they all lived lives similar to Jesus. Some actually were killed in similar ways, were resurracted and ascended to be with their father. Makes for great reading, but do you want to live your life based on a COPY CAT story?

Good luck to you.

Bill

[Curious_American]

Hi Bill,

What is so MYTHICAL about what I believe? It is not a MYTH. In fact one thing that seperates it from all the greek myths is that Jesus's life on earth and death is all HISTORICAL FACT. You cannot dispute that. And there were over 500 WITNESSES to his ressurection. Even the Roman Soldier said, "Surely, this was the Son of God." Another seperation would be the fact that Jesus Christ fulfilled PROPHECY; though, the prophecy is only half-way complete. That is why we wait for the RETURN, as was prophecied by Christ as well as others after He was taken back up to heaven. And the Jews, still await the first coming of Christ, whom they do not believe was Jesus; though, even they know of Jesus' existence and referred to Him as Rabbi while He was present on earth. Even the Muslims recognize Jesus as a great teacher and prophet, but not as Christ.

To write Jesus off as MYTH is to write off HISTORY. Unless you dispute the Romans recording of history. I am not saying that history will prove His ressurection, but I am saying there is alot MORE to say that He did, than didn't.

Later,
Vince

Greetings Vince,

You are getting your info from the BIBLE. A book which is full of inconsistancies and fallshoods. The History which you speak of is rebuked by the DEAD SEA SCROLLS, the TALMUD,
and SCIENCE.

Your faith is based on GOD the CREATOR. You told me that you believed in CREATION. You are probably speaking of creation as told in GENESIS ONE and TWO. These teachings don't even pass the smell test anymore. Baylor University,
(Heavy Duty Christians) is working their ass off to come up with a NEW THEORY to replace Genesis, they call it Inteligent Beginning. What Gives? If the Bible is incorrect
in Genesis, the whole GOD THEORY needs revision.

Since you mentioned the Romans, let me give you a bit of
news about them. Many of learned people believe that Mary was a kept woman and was impregnated by a Roman Soldier.
Even Joseph was pissed about her being with a child and wanted to do away with her. (Matthew) Naturally, along came the ANGELS and convinced him that it was Immaculate Conception, just like all the stories in Greek and Roman Mythology. Have you checked into those? You should.

Again, in my opinion the BIBLE is no EVIDENCE for your faith. You believe what you believe because you believe. How is that different from worshipping FIRE, WIND, GOATS,
etc, etc. ( All of them forerunners of your GOD.)

Good luck,

Bill

[Curious_American]

Bill,

Actually, much of what I said came from watching the Discovery Channel. As for the 'falsehoods,' of the Bible, maybe you should watch the Discovery Channel more often, because they are finding new things which have proven much of it correct. We now know that the happenings during the Exodus from Egypt, most likely actually DID happen. It was very interesting. As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, I've also heard that they prove the Bible correct, as well as disprove, so to me they are nearly worthless in meaning. As for SCIENCE, it has been wrong before. They make mistakes. Take for instance an island that formed in the Pacific. They said it would be 1,000 years at least before life would bloom on the island. It took less than a year before it was covered.

Why is it that Science proves everything with evidence in hand, except when it comes to evolution? They never show the evidence. Nor will they ever show the evidence. It is truely, mere speculation being called a fact, when there is nothing to back it up. I'm not against science, i like science; however, the specutation about the Big Bang, and our evolution has gone way off course of the RULES OF SCIENCE. Everything else we study has RULES to study them by, but evolution doesn't seem to abide by these rules.

Later,
Vince

Greetings Vince,

I must say that you folks are desperate for anything that might make the Bible more credible. About your Discovery Channel Program and the story of the EXODUS. Not even close to what you claim. It only supported the existance of some of the cities mentioned in the tale of the EXODUS. It provided no evidence of the Jews wondering around in the DESSERT for all those years. As of today, there is nothing
to support this fairytale. The Sinai has been dug up from one end to the other. They have found no BUILDINGS, NO CEMETERIES, NO EVIDENCE of ANY KIND, nothing that would support the TALE of the EXODUS.

The Bible is like all other books. It contains some facts, some fiction, and some flat out BS. I find it dangerous that some people base their life on such combination.

Please tell us why you consider CREATION more plausable than EVOLUTION. Are we not EVOLVING today?

Good Luck,

Bill