Truth about 666, the beast and the seal of beast

[andrewblow]

Nickols, I'm not 'zombied' ....or phazed in any way by your article. I am simply countering and exposing false prophesy when I see it........something I am obliged to do in response to Biblical teaching on this subject.

No- I know I don't <need > to read your additional article - but you posted an invitation and a reply of some sort is both customary and courteous.

However :

You are clearly and dogmatically teaching a theology that is in direct conflict with what God has already said and explained. I therefore cannot and will not accept your words. You say the Bible was incorrectly translated !! OK - who told YOU so ?? Did God reveal man's inaccuracies to YOU to such a high degree where you can discredit the Apostles, the Patriachs, etc.- .... all the people who - LED BY GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT - compiled the Bible as we know it today from those 66 books that God KNEW were correct in teaching and would form a 'manual for living' for all mankind until the end of time.

May I respectfully suggest you sit down and consider the subject of < HUMILITY > and then see if God shows you a few wrong turns in your expositionary journey.

Regards,
Andrew

[CastleStormer]

Nickols, which version of the Bible was "wrongly translated"? I have read it cover to cover in many different versions, and I do have some problems with a few versions on a couple of scriptures. But guess what? One can look at the original Hebrew and Greek texts, get a good concordance, and figure out EXACTLY what God was saying when he inspired that text. Don't like a translation, get another.

But as far as the Bible having changed over time, that is absolutely incorrect. The Bible has the best track record of non-deviation from the original ancient texts of any book ever written. Second place goes to Homer's Illiad and Odyssey. If you have ever read those great works, you will find that there slight differences based on translations. But the story, and gist of what Homer writes remains the same. Even the writings of Josephus vary slightly in published works. But it is amazing how thousands of years have not been able to dilute the power and beauty of the Bible.

May you see the truth.

CS

PS: I marvel that you use the word "escape" when referring to the angels leaving the "kingdon of heaven". I don't know any Godly creation who would WANT to "escape the presence of God". Most of us are seeking ways to get closer to Him.

[nickols_k]

Originally Posted by andrewblow

Nickols, I'm not 'zombied' ....or phazed in any way by your article. I am simply countering and exposing false prophesy when I see it........something I am obliged to do in response to Biblical teaching on this subject.

Could you please publish those place which you have estimated as false-prophecies?
They might be caused by inaccuracies of my translation!

No- I know I don't <need > to read your additional article - but you posted an invitation and a reply of some sort is both customary and courteous.

However :

You are clearly and dogmatically teaching a theology that is in direct conflict with what God has already said and explained. I therefore cannot and will not accept your words. You say the Bible was incorrectly translated !! OK - who told YOU so ?? Did God reveal man's inaccuracies to YOU to such a high degree where you can discredit the Apostles, the Patriachs, etc.- .... all the people who - LED BY GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT - compiled the Bible as we know it today from those 66 books that God KNEW were correct in teaching and would form a 'manual for living' for all mankind until the end of time.

I just compared some place of modern bible with latin translation!

Nickols, which version of the Bible was "wrongly translated"? I have read it cover to cover in many different versions, and I do have some problems with a few versions on a couple of scriptures. But guess what? One can look at the original Hebrew and Greek texts, get a good concordance, and figure out EXACTLY what God was saying when he inspired that text. Don't like a translation, get another.

In my article I'm using KJV bible!

But as far as the Bible having changed over time, that is absolutely incorrect. The Bible has the best track record of non-deviation from the original ancient texts of any book ever written. Second place goes to Homer's Illiad and Odyssey. If you have ever read those great works, you will find that there slight differences based on translations. But the story, and gist of what Homer writes remains the same. Even the writings of Josephus vary slightly in published works. But it is amazing how thousands of years have not been able to dilute the power and beauty of the Bible.

May you see the truth.

Truth is out of here!

Be bless!

[For_Mis.2]

I recently read a booklet published by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. It was about near death expericences. It spoke not only the great and gloriouse Light at the end of a tunnel like the new agers talk about, but also hades; it recounted stories about snaks crawling all over and in and out of the wicked. There was much more, but the point is we must concern ourslves about now. We are given only today, Jesus said that weonly have today, also St Paul said we are but a mist here tody annd gone tomorrow. The book of Revelations is imposible to understand. Because of this the Orthodox Church reads all the other books duringing the church calendar except Revelation. The early church fathers were slow in excepting it into the canon, but since St John wrote it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit it was accepted in the east. No one knows what the number 666 that's inscribed on the head of the beast, it's better to concentrate on what we do understand. The plan of salvation is really simple, the Bible was written after the Church came into being on the Day of Pentacost. The Bible said it is for our edification, to add or subtract from it is in direct vilation of the book of Revalation.

[nickols_k]

Originally Posted by For_Mis.2

I recently read a booklet published by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. It was about near death expericences. It spoke not only the great and gloriouse Light at the end of a tunnel like the new agers talk about, but also hades; it recounted stories about snaks crawling all over and in and out of the wicked. There was much more, but the point is we must concern ourslves about now.

My article explains light at end the tunnel as NEAR death experience but NOT real death!

We are given only today, Jesus said that weonly have today, also St Paul said we are but a mist here tody annd gone tomorrow. The book of Revelations is imposible to understand. Because of this the Orthodox Church reads all the other books duringing the church calendar except Revelation. The early church fathers were slow in excepting it into the canon, but since St John wrote it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit it was accepted in the east. No one knows what the number 666 that's inscribed on the head of the beast, it's better to concentrate on what we do understand. The plan of salvation is really simple, the Bible was written after the Church came into being on the Day of Pentacost. The Bible said it is for our edification, to add or subtract from it is in direct vilation of the book of Revalation.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a men; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

Where did you read the word HEAD

If you have read Revelation 13:16:
And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

This place means that nobody except those who will receive the mark of beast on FOREHEAD or RIGHT HAND will be able to perform operations of buying or selling!

Be bless!

[andrewblow]

Nichols (I wish I knew your christian name - I don't like referring to you as 'Nickols' - but that's entirely your deceision.)

You ask me to publish comments on where I think you have a wrong understanding of prophesy - or as I would say - where you are yourself phrophesying false information that is not substantiated by God's Word the Bible. I would like to restrict myself to your opening statement on the number < 666 > being 'the mark of the beast'. May I say I am not speaking on my own authority, or telling what I think- I am trying to get an overall and true understanding of what St John was describing in the book of his revelations from God.

1. Rev. 1 vs 3 : We are encouraged to read and understand - which means not hiding away from the book, but reading it and letting God's Holy Spirit explain what He wants us to know about former times, current times and times to yet appear.
2. Rev 22 vs 18/19 - here is a strict warning not to add or take away anything from God's word. This, Nickols , is where I trhink I disagree most strongly with you, as some of your statements comprehensively contradict what the Bibke says - that's not on - God says you are wrong. Period.
3. Rev 13, 15-18. This is the only passage that mentions the numbers 666, but they appear to be numbers put by God onto the Devil AND ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM. The beast will ATTEMPT to forced this number on people - and when they receive it - they will worship the beast. You are right about buying and selling - all commerce will be withheld from those who refuse to have that sign. That sign is DEATH to all who wear it. It means great persecution to those who don't - but those will be the true believers who will be willing to even give up their lives so as NOT to wear the cursed sign of the beast. God promises great reward to those who resist this cursed temptation.
4. Rev 14, 9-11 tell us how God will judge those who wear the sign for all eternity. The sign shows they have joined the devil in rebellion against God and He will put them into the same place He prepares for the devil....eternal damnnation...... a horrendous thought.

You say to my horror that you believe you have - in the future - already received the seal of the beast. Firstly , that is impossible - it has not happened yet - either in reality - or even in your fantasies. If you are of a mind to ACCEPT IT - then the Scriptures that I quote above......FROM GOD.....will show you are condemned to eternal damnation. That is GOd's promise and John's prophesy - which I accept above anything you may say.

Friend Nichols - I believe that you have been deceived by 'THE GREAT DECEIVER - THE FATHER OF LIES' and whatever you experienced in your youth has - in your meditation since, been blown out of all proportion to the truth.

Paul writes to the Thessalonians (4,16-18) That "The Lord himself shall decend from heaven with a shout - with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ (all true Believers who have died) shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain (as true believers) shall be caught up together with them in the clouds and meet the Lord in the air: and so we shall for ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words".

So Nichols, true Believers don't meet the Beast / Devil, etc first - WE MEET JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR and the only time we see the beast is when we look down on him in triumph as he burns in hell. Rev 20 teaches us that Satan, the devil, the beast, the false prophet (yes - all of them) shall be cast into the lake of eternal fire......and all those who did not have their named written in the lambs Book of Life will join them for ever. I don't believ that God allowed anything to be written or even translated in a way to confuse us, certainly not to deceive us - so what we read is GOD'S WORD' and should be believed, first and formost and above everything else. Anything less is "Building on sand".

That's strong talk - but it's what the Bible says and what I believe you should seriously be considering, because your current position of belief is extremely precarious.

I'm praying for you, N.K - where-ever you are - God knows.
Andrew
<andrewblow@hotmail.com>

[CastleStormer]

And this friends, is why I love my brother Andrew! He rocks!

He and I agree on so much theologically. The only thing we disagree on is the timetable. He is a Pre-trib rapture guy. I am not. I believe we leave, but not until the end. That is based on:

I Corinthians 15: 51-52 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Revelation is pretty clear when the last (7th) trumpet sounds and what is happening at the time. (Rev 10:7, 11:15) But who cares? We will be out of here...and that will be a great day. Just don't take the mark! God will provide for his people. He always has...and He always will!

Nickols, I am glad we are having this discussion. It is good for God's people to discuss things which bring glory to God.