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Old 15th February 2007, 09:53
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Nick, I believe you are simply playing with words here. Rev 13.vs 16-18 says (The beast of vs 11) forced everybody - great and small (etc) to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead, so that no-one could buy or sell anything unless he had the mark, which is THE NAME OF THE BEAST OR THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME. This calls for wisdom - if anyone has insight, let him calculate THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, for it is man's number and his number is 666".

Having read the Bible very carefully, I do not consider that this passage suggests anything other than the 'mark of the beast' is anything else than 666. If there is another clear interpretation, I'd be pleased to hear it - but so what - whatever the mark is - it is death to the wearer.
Please reread announce of my article at least!
666 is number of saved hosts whi received the MARK of BEAST on any place of their bodies!
MARK of BEAST looks like black tattoo!
NAME of BEAST is NAME of biblical BEAST!

My article explain all these definitions!
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The Trinity. Jesus said "I and the Father are ONE. He who has seen me HAS SEEN THE FATHER" - You can't get much clearer than that. The Bible speaks of the SPIRIT OF JESUS that CAME FROM THE FATHER - so there you have all three in one concept.
Jesus and God-Father are ONE but nit the same person!!! the human's family is ONT and NOT divisble. Such family may consist from father mother and childrens. But they have the same visions of all questions!
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Nick, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE GOD - but come to us in 3 different natures as He sees need. Ice, water and steam...and ONE, but 3 distinct natures. Paul says that "IN HIM (Jesus) was ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD". John says in Rev 1, 10 "On the Lord's day I WAS IN THE SPIRIT" - and yet we know that the whole revelation given to John was from jesus - and so I could go on with many examples. Your own statement on the Trinity is conflicting information - you contradict yourself.......one minute God is ONE, but then a family. I don't blame you for this - IT IS A MYSTERY. God says IT'S A MYSTERY, and only those who have the Holy Spirit in them (as true believers ) have any hope of understanding it without confusion. As you have stated you are not a christian, then you cannot expect to get very far into this mystery, without confusion.
I even don't want to disput this subj! Please udnerstand that Jesus was born!!! God-Father exists forever! Jesus has beginning! God-Father lives since eternity! God-Father and Jesus are 2 perfectly different persons!!!
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Nick - of your own admittance you are not a child of God - a Christian, a true Believer, so WHO you actually communicated with I don't know. All I do know is that God does not deceive - and yet you have been deceived and confused and misled and for that, I cannot accept your witness regarding your communication with anyone you considered 'god' - because God does not tell lies.

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Nick, let's be clear about this 'mark'. It is the devils way of differentiating between those who are God's people and those who have rebelled against God.
Please don't mix the beast with devil!
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Rev 14 9 says " if anyone worships the beast and his image AND RECEIVES HIS MARK on his forehead or hand, he to will drink of the wine OF GOD'S FURY .....he will be tormented with burning sulphur....for ever and ever....there is no rest day or night for anyone.......for anyone who receives the mark of his name". Not my words - Jesus'
I received the mark of best on left cheek!
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Don't tell me there are different devilish 'marks' - they are one and the same thing - an abomiation to God for those who have rebelled.
There are only 2 seals!!! The seal of lamb which is for all saint and the seal of beast which is for all hosts!
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I say this with respect to you who sincerely believe your work. I suggest that you consider repenting of the self-indulgent rubbish you have posted and try first to find GOD. Whoever comes to God through Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins "He will never cast out", but while you stay as an apostate person who never-the-less tries to convince others that you have heard from 'god' - you are doing no-one any favours - least of all yourself.....and this grieves me.
This work is based on prophecies of God-Father!!!
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Nick, please read 2 Corinthians 11:4

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough."

You've been listening to another Jesus. It would behoove you to meet the real one before it is too late. His sheep hear HIS voice.
I didn't communicate with Jesus! I did communicate with God-Father!!!

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Old 15th February 2007, 17:44
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I received the mark of best on left cheek!
I hate to tell you this Nick...but you got ripped off! There are only two locations one can receive it: the forehead or the right hand. I would go back to the antichrist and demand a refund.

Don't feel bad. There are lots of people who thought they actually owned an original Rembrandt. Your "mark of the beast" probably is a cheap Chinese knock-off.

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Old 15th February 2007, 21:29
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Oh Nicky, Nicky, you have got it SOooo wrong. 666 is the number of the SAVED ??? That is nonsense and cannot be substantiated anywhere except in your own mistaken mind.

And God-Father exists forever, but Jesus was just 'born'.!!!! That shows a complete lack of understanding of a major aspect of the Trinity and of so many other things that (like CastleStormer earlier) I don't know where to start !!

Who created the world ? NO - not God the father, but CHRIST JESUS . God, in Christ Jesus, created the world and appeared to many people in the Old Testamant times BEFORE being born with the purpose of bring salvation to the very people he had created.

Look at John's Gospel ch. 8. Jesus is telling the Pharisees how they don't understand God the Father and clearly says in vs. 58 "Before Abraham WAS - I AM" . Vs 56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad. So Jesus was existing before Abraham and obviously MET HIM - look at Genesis 18 vs 1 - "THE LORD appeard to Abraham....3 men met Abraham and told him he would have a son. Only one of the 3 visitors spoke - and Abraham called him "Lord" - it was a pre-incarnate visit of Jesus to give His father's message to the one who would be "the father of many peoples".

Now consider Exodus 3. Moses asks God "what is your name?" God replies " My Name is 'I AM' ....... and what has Jesus just said ?? Before Abraham was - I AM. the ever-prsent one - one with the father - present and in action at the creation of the world......it was Christ who appeared to Moses in the bush (Moses obviously called him 'an Angel - ch 3vs 2) He appeared to Shadrack Meshak and Abednego in the firery furnace "And the king looked ....and there were FOUR men in the fire - and one looked like a son of the gods". Yes he was - he was THE SON OF GOD coming to rescue his servants.

There are so many other ways of proving that Christ....AND GOD .......along with the HOLY SPIRIT.... all pre-existed the creation of the world - they are one and the same, but are also capable of being 3 natures - each distinctive, but co-existing.

Nick, you asked me to read your article again. No - sorry, but I am not reading it again because I am utterly convinced that you are totally deceived. What and where your heart really is - only God can tell, but it is not where God wants it to be and I do not believe that you have any understanding of the true God, His salvation offered to you through Christ, or the indwelling of Holy Spirit in your life. This being the case, you have no authority to speak for God, about God, or to teach others. Please humble yurself and go back to God's one and only true word (The Bible) and see what God is ACTUALLY TELLING YOU.

"SEEK THE LORD WHILE HE MAY BE FOUND, CALL ON HIM WHILE HE IS NEAR. LET THE WICKED FORSAKE HIS WAY AND THE EVIL MAN HIS THOUGHTS. LET HIM TURN TO THE LORD AND HE WILL HAVE MERCY ON HIM - AND TO OUR GOD, FOR HE WILL FREELY PARDON" (Isa.55)

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Old 16th February 2007, 10:39
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I hate to tell you this Nick...but you got ripped off! There are only two locations one can receive it: the forehead or the right hand. I would go back to the antichrist and demand a refund.
It's fruit of your mind! The seal of beast can be located everywhere!
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Oh Nicky, Nicky, you have got it SOooo wrong. 666 is the number of the SAVED ??? That is nonsense and cannot be substantiated anywhere except in your own mistaken mind.
God-father said my that in prophecy! Is it enough for you? Or you want to continue with your false-theories!
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And God-Father exists forever, but Jesus was just 'born'.!!!! That shows a complete lack of understanding of a major aspect of the Trinity and of so many other things that (like CastleStormer earlier) I don't know where to start !!

Who created the world ? NO - not God the father, but CHRIST JESUS . God, in Christ Jesus, created the world and appeared to many people in the Old Testamant times BEFORE being born with the purpose of bring salvation to the very people he had created.
Jesus didn't exist when Creator created this world! He was born later after world was created!
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Look at John's Gospel ch. 8. Jesus is telling the Pharisees how they don't understand God the Father and clearly says in vs. 58 "Before Abraham WAS - I AM" . Vs 56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad. So Jesus was existing before Abraham and obviously MET HIM - look at Genesis 18 vs 1 - "THE LORD appeard to Abraham....3 men met Abraham and told him he would have a son. Only one of the 3 visitors spoke - and Abraham called him "Lord" - it was a pre-incarnate visit of Jesus to give His father's message to the one who would be "the father of many peoples".
The age of Jesus is approx 100'000 years! But Jesus has beginning! All other creatures ahs much less age!
Devil has 70'000 yeras since day of creation! The oldest angel has 60'0000 yerars since the day his creatoin!
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Now consider Exodus 3. Moses asks God "what is your name?" God replies " My Name is 'I AM' ....... and what has Jesus just said ?? Before Abraham was - I AM. the ever-prsent one - one with the father - present and in action at the creation of the world......it was Christ who appeared to Moses in the bush (Moses obviously called him 'an Angel - ch 3vs 2) He appeared to Shadrack Meshak and Abednego in the firery furnace "And the king looked ....and there were FOUR men in the fire - and one looked like a son of the gods". Yes he was - he was THE SON OF GOD coming to rescue his servants.

There are so many other ways of proving that Christ....AND GOD .......along with the HOLY SPIRIT.... all pre-existed the creation of the world - they are one and the same, but are also capable of being 3 natures - each distinctive, but co-existing.
Jesus is son of God-Father whi was beloved and begotten! No more!
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Nick, you asked me to read your article again. No - sorry, but I am not reading it again because I am utterly convinced that you are totally deceived. What and where your heart really is - only God can tell, but it is not where God wants it to be and I do not believe that you have any understanding of the true God, His salvation offered to you through Christ, or the indwelling of Holy Spirit in your life. This being the case, you have no authority to speak for God, about God, or to teach others. Please humble yurself and go back to God's one and only true word (The Bible) and see what God is ACTUALLY TELLING YOU.

"SEEK THE LORD WHILE HE MAY BE FOUND, CALL ON HIM WHILE HE IS NEAR. LET THE WICKED FORSAKE HIS WAY AND THE EVIL MAN HIS THOUGHTS. LET HIM TURN TO THE LORD AND HE WILL HAVE MERCY ON HIM - AND TO OUR GOD, FOR HE WILL FREELY PARDON" (Isa.55)
Please understand that when I'm reading your false statements then I'm not complaining that I'm busy and someting other in similar way!

Be bless!
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Old 16th February 2007, 12:14
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Dear Nick, you are making up your story as you go along. You never made reference to the so-called -'creation age' of Christ, satan, the angels, etc. in your first post and you have received irrifutable evidence that such 'creations' neven happened - yet you come back with more stories and then ask us to believe you -just becasue you say you spoke to God-Father.

Satan WAS one of the angels - infact one of the 3 chief Angels, comprising Gabriel, Lucifer and Michael. Gabriel was the angel that brought messages to earth on God's behalf (for instance Joseph and Mary) - Michael is God's war Angel and will fight for God and lead the battle at the end of time - and Lucifer rebelled, was chucked out of heaven and becamse satan, the devil, the father of lies and the deceiver of the earth. So all angels were all created - God only knows when - we don't need to - the top 3 all equal, but Lucifer went bad and is the one who - I would respectfully suggest - is messing up your mind with fantastic and crazy stories.

But Christ IS GOD. Who for ever has existed WiTH GOD - HAS BEEN from eternity past - was present IN TIME to redeem all those who accept him by faith in his work on the cross - and will be with us for eternity to come.

Speaking personally - I have on 3 occasions in my life, heard God speak to me clearly and audibly - each time giving me specific, short, but fundamental information as a result of my prayers for guidance and understanding in my life. I accept that people can hear from God. I also know that Satan can replicate many things that God can do, so for you to hear this 'information' of yours does not surprise me. WHAT YOU HEARD horrifies me because I do not believe you heard from father God at all, due to A) Your own addmittance of your disassociation with God and |B) The stuff you describe is so utterly wrong.

Paul teaches us that in 'the last days', there will be some who will not accept the truth, but will try to lead away weak and insecure Believers with crazy stories that sound good, but are devil-inpired. It pains me to say it, but i think that you fall inot this catagory.

God still loves yu - so do I - but please check out our Biblical references - they are more profound than your stories and will belss you with true understanding.
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Dear Nick, you are making up your story as you go along. You never made reference to the so-called -'creation age' of Christ, satan, the angels, etc. in your first post and you have received irrifutable evidence that such 'creations' neven happened - yet you come back with more stories and then ask us to believe you -just becasue you say you spoke to God-Father.

Satan WAS one of the angels - infact one of the 3 chief Angels, comprising Gabriel, Lucifer and Michael. Gabriel was the angel that brought messages to earth on God's behalf (for instance Joseph and Mary) - Michael is God's war Angel and will fight for God and lead the battle at the end of time - and Lucifer rebelled, was chucked out of heaven and becamse satan, the devil, the father of lies and the deceiver of the earth. So all angels were all created - God only knows when - we don't need to - the top 3 all equal, but Lucifer went bad and is the one who - I would respectfully suggest - is messing up your mind with fantastic and crazy stories.

But Christ IS GOD. Who for ever has existed WiTH GOD - HAS BEEN from eternity past - was present IN TIME to redeem all those who accept him by faith in his work on the cross - and will be with us for eternity to come.
Every who us able to say: "I'm man" maybe called an God! But not only Jesus:
John 10:33"The Jews answered him, saying, for a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, all of you are Gods?"
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Speaking personally - I have on 3 occasions in my life, heard God speak to me clearly and audibly - each time giving me specific, short, but fundamental information as a result of my prayers for guidance and understanding in my life. I accept that people can hear from God. I also know that Satan can replicate many things that God can do, so for you to hear this 'information' of yours does not surprise me. WHAT YOU HEARD horrifies me because I do not believe you heard from father God at all, due to A) Your own addmittance of your disassociation with God and |B) The stuff you describe is so utterly wrong.
Please understand that I received information in way describes in section MATRIX!
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Paul teaches us that in 'the last days', there will be some who will not accept the truth, but will try to lead away weak and insecure Believers with crazy stories that sound good, but are devil-inpired. It pains me to say it, but i think that you fall inot this catagory.

God still loves yu - so do I - but please check out our Biblical references - they are more profound than your stories and will belss you with true understanding.
Andrew
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Spelling of hateful! Many disagree with this prophecy due wrong understanding of Bible! But, bible nowhere teaches us that God-Father loves us! Bible teaches: God is love and God is truth! When God-Father behaves Himself as God then He is love and He is truth! God-Father behaves Himself as God only
with those who get know Him as God! In other cases He is omnipotent to behave Himself as demon as devil as any other creatures! Yes, God-Father hates us but does that not very heavily. Else you'll be not able to explain existence of lake of fire! Else you'll be not able to explain existence of hell! Else you'll be not able to explain all history of our planet since Adam's fall including plagues, wars and ills! Else you'll be not able to explain Revelation of Saint John with 21 plagues for the Earth! God-Father loves world! World is our universe and Kingdom of Heaven and hell! But God-Father hates people! Saint Apostle John did write:
1 John 4:9"
"In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

It would be correctly to read this place as:
"In this was manifested the love of God toward world, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved world, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."
Again, God-Father hates us simply because LOVE doesn't require any victims for sins! All other places of Bible points that God-Father loves world:
John 3:16"
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."


BE BLESS!

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Again, God-Father hates us simply because LOVE doesn't require any victims for sins! All other places of Bible points that God-Father loves world:
John 3:16"
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
So God loves the planet but hates the creations he put on His planet? Satan could not have said it better himself.

How do you deal with this:

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated". Romans 9:13 (Malachi 1:2)

God loves Jacob!!! And guess what Nick: GOD LOVES YOU ALSO!

And when you said: "It's fruit of your mind! The seal of beast can be located everywhere!" You once again are dead out wrong!

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Revelation 13:16 (King James Version) You quoted Rev 13 earlier. How could you not have seen this?

I think you have read just enough of the Bible to become dangerous to yourself. God loves you anyway.
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