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Johnny,

My opinions are not influenced by one or two peoples inputs.

I have never said that a historical Jesus like person or persons did not exist. Flavious Josephus and others have written extensively, with different names, of a character
similar to whom you call Jesus.

However, it is in the New Testament that the alleged Jesus became the Son of God through virgin birth and all the other bells and whistles.

The teachings attributed to the alleged Jesus are powerful,
even if they only represent the imagination of the various authors.

If you eliminate all the Supernatural cannotations, we can talk about the alleged historical Jesus.

Bill

[johnnymaniac]

Originally posted by B_Ungaro
Johnny,

My opinions are not influenced by one or two peoples inputs.

I have never said that a historical Jesus like person or persons did not exist. Flavious Josephus and others have written extensively, with different names, of a character
similar to whom you call Jesus.

However, it is in the New Testament that the alleged Jesus became the Son of God through virgin birth and all the other bells and whistles.

The teachings attributed to the alleged Jesus are powerful,
even if they only represent the imagination of the various authors.

If you eliminate all the Supernatural cannotations, we can talk about the alleged historical Jesus.

Bill

We actually do a decent job of talking bout the Historical Jesus, i would never waste my time debating some of the subjects that many "Christians"do. As you see in my Military thread, very few "Christians, pipe in any Amen, to my insight. Although i may quote Jesus, they have not been taught properly how to read his works. Many are like the Sheep gone to slaughter, and that is sad. They have followed this False Teaching down the Ages on what it is to be a Christian, and most of those have created the Industrial type you are always complaining about. Scribes and Pharisees, are not new to Jesus or his teachings, check out how many times he lectures them. But you will for sure find many of these "followers", ready to quote any scripture to justify some twisted stand by the church on many social issues. So i am the one caught like a fish, in a very small entrance.....if your may....Many are called, but few are chosen. I believe i have been hooked by the master Fisherman.....and the bait was love......yet as i struggle letting go of the water i have known since birth, i must watch all the other fish..continue down stream.....they are thinking they are heading toward Heaven...i fear they are going toward the Rapids. Catfish Heaven....here i come!!!!! johnnymaniac

Catfish,

Fair enough. If the Son of God thing is not that important to you and if you are not dependent on a Supernatural for your salvation, we can talk intelligently.

As you prpbably know there is a lot of information about the alleged Historical Jesus, what ever his name was.

For a different prospective, please go to:

http://www.kenmarc.com/fifty/bible.html

Bill

[johnnymaniac]

Originally posted by B_Ungaro
Catfish,

Fair enough. If the Son of God thing is not that important to you and if you are not dependent on a Supernatural for your salvation, we can talk intelligently.

As you prpbably know there is a lot of information about the alleged Historical Jesus, what ever his name was.

For a different prospective, please go to:

http://www.kenmarc.com/fifty/bible.html

Bill

Senor Ungaro. i have just finished your reference page with the piece written by Hayyim ben Yehoshua, i will be at you later with some major condradictions i noticed, will do a little research, but already he is sooooooooooo wordy, he is confusing himself. And a point to make, just because individuals are named after Characters in Myths, or have a like life, does not make the person not exist. Of course more people in the world are apt to Accept Julius Ceaser as a living person over Jesus Christ especially other Religions. According to your author, they are fakes anyway, so why would he use them as a reference point?? This person does what Icke does, there is an element of truth is what he says, then he just looses himself in his own "talkiness" then all of a sudden, he has found the missing link, so i do not consider his work factual as much as thought provoking. I know now you have read David Icke. I am most interested in his section of the Passover and Barrabus story, where he called it a "Vicious anti-semitic lie", i will personally get on that historical story, asap! There is truth is this piece, dont get me wrong senor...im just not sure how much. We name in my family many after the dead. My Mother was Antica, she died at 26 years old, we have no 2 cousins named after her, if they die in a car crash also, will have that twist of fate made them "non-person's"? was their death based upon a myth? My Grandfather was really named Simun (simon), but when he came to America he wanted the name Sam. Did he really exist? I mean who really was Simon? I am sure that Hayim would have said, the Simum from Croatia, was named after a myth, and someone came to America and stole his story...........faith: Believe in the things you cannot see..........Keep fishing Ungarrro...one day you will catch the big one...you know the one in the myth......

Kingfish,

I have had the Big One hooked already. It was on Lake Fork, near Tyler, Texas. When I first set the hook, I thought that
I was snagged on a stump. I was about to cut the line, when it started to move sideways. The Rodeo was on. The fish came up and jumped once. I swear that the fish was so big that it obscured the sky. World Record probably. (24lbs)

After it jumped, upon seeing my uggly face, it went back down deep. I tried to get the fish to the boat for a good thirty minutes. The others who saw the fish jump, were all watching expecting a new world record. Finally the fish got wrapped up on something on the bottom. It was in March. The water was still cold. I was not in the mood to dive after the fish, I cut the line. Close but no cigar. The biggest bass that I have ever seen, and I have seen some big ones in Mexico.

Now, regarding the information that I called to your attention. Concentrate on the PARALELS between the parts of
the Pagan Myths and parts of the Jesus Story. CONCENTRATE on the factual descriptions of Christian Fraud to change the stories by Josephus. CONCENTRATE on the fact that in 1554 the POPE collected and burned all the books that had any derogatory or contradictory information about the Jesus
Story. Further, the Pope actually had the Tamud re-written by Christian theologans. A Jewish holy book re-written by Christians, get it? Luckily a few copies of the original Talmud survived. Thomas Paine must have had one of those.

Anyway, you know the saying about ducks? If it walks like a duck, if it quaks like a duck it's a duck. Same thing can be said about the Christian Myth. It's a DUCK. hehehehe

You have some deep thoughts. Soon, you will find the right answer.

Bill

[johnnymaniac]

yea, sure Ungaro....i heard bout that fish story, from my Grandfather,and it happened on the Danube! It was just like you said, it was so big it blocked the sky.............just like yours..................But i must say, to pick my Papa and his story to base your falseness on, was rather clever....mmmmmm i may have to reconsider my nomination of Ungaro for El Presetente....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmpossibly an ambassador position is more likely.......lets see........yea! to Isreal!!! Your information will be well recieved there, as many doubt the Teachings of Jesus...(which by the way, is what i am usually discussing, while you and the others are battleing over Theology and Myrsteries I will honestly do some research on your text, and i agree in some parts, remember i like you question much that is told to me, as so i can discover the truth from within. I appreciate all your stimulating conversations.....but, me fear that all the other sheep have run away........baaaaaaah.......baaaaaaaaah..........baaaaaaaaad litttle sheep! to them I say: Build your house on solid ground, not sinking sand........Catfish say's, " you no can swim in sand"........................johnnymaniac

[Van_Tress]

It is interesting that you bring up about mythological stories, Bill. You haved stated that the story of Jesus is a copy cat of mythological stories. Actually you are terribly wrong.
Why are mythological stories so similar? It is because they have the same source. I would perhaps look up the names and particulars of the different stories except I think you have already checked it out and know the similarities between the stories. Actually the source of many of the myth stories is Cush, Nimrod, Semiramis and Babel. This is antichrist and the devil's working.
Did you notice in all your studying that the pagan and mythological cultures also engaged in the wickedness of abortion and religious promiscuity? The Christian faith upholds integrity, honosty, purity, sactity of life, etc. There is no comparison to the pagans.
Of the pagan festivals, one was during the middle of winter around the winter solstice, sometimes called saturnalia. After Constantine "became christian" (not really), the 25th of December was chosen as Christs birth to compromise the pagans and Christians. This is why I don't observe x-mas.(Where does x-mas come from anyway? I believe it is tammuz)
Nimrod is antichrist and the devil's working. This is the foundation of much of the world's mythology.
Ryan