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2nd February 2003, 22:23
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written by Cody K/ Greetings, A new round of insanity is upon us. Today, President Bush renominated Charles Pickering to the Supreme Court. Why is this crazy? Could it be because Mr. Pickering believes that interracial marriages should be illegal? Charles Pickering was also at the forefront of the anti-Semitic, anti-black movement in the 60's, in direct competition with the civil rights movement. He's been overheard to say things like "they should've killed that ****** (Martin Luther King) sooner". Along with Pickering are a slew of other fanatical right-wingers. And the main issue in Washington nowadays is who to kill first? North Korea, who has the ability to retaliate with nuclear force (and is an ally to China, Russia, and Vietnam)...or Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 simply because Al-Qaeda is an ENEMY OF THE IRAQI STATE! They never mention on CNN, but it was in Reuters, that a month before 9/11, Iraq slaughtered about 3,040 Al-qaeda soldiers that had been found in Iraqi territory. They hate them, with a passion. Saddam is militaristic, and is a tyrant. On that we agree. But does he pose a threat to the US? No. Will North Korea pose a threat to us? Yes...if we continue on our present course of actions. Otherwise, it is unlikely. And in this precarious balance are Russia and China. China has denounced Bush's plans on Iraq, and has given aid...and continues to give aid...to Arab countries against the United States simply because Bush won't back down. Russia is perhaps the crux of the matter. Russia has a strengthening alliance with France and Iran in weapons manufacturing, scientific research, and atomic/nuclear energy. And we risk the sanctity of our very lives on the supposition that Iraq needs to be destroyed and Korea along with it??? It is not a crime to be foolish...unless you are the President of the United States. Then, foolishness has a name: genocide.
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2nd February 2003, 22:28
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Life is a funny thing.
It's easy to create life. Perhaps too easy. Just as easy is taking life. Nearly 3000 human lives were ended on September 11th, 2001. One day. A matter of hours, really. However...let's analyze something. Since 1979, when Amnesty International began to take note, an average of 12 people have died per day because of American imperialism. Let's figure this out. 1979-2002 365 days x 12 people a day =4380 people a year 4380 people a year x 22 years =96360 people Nearly 100,000 CIVILIAN lives. We're not talking military. Also, that doesn't count the 3.6 million people that have died of starvation because of America's closed door policy on communism. We are taught in schools that communism is wrong. Is it? Who can say? But American pride has allowed those 3.6 million people in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Thailand, and the Soviet Union to starve to death. Women...children. Now, factor in the amount of people affected by depleted uranium shells in the Persian gulf (5 thousand or more), radioactivity present in Japan (over 20,000 killed), and the results of nuclear testing in the United States (which killed over 15,000 Americans and is slowly being accepted as the father of breast cancer and leukemia)...and our total is: 3,733,365 people Averaged per year since 1979, that's 169,698 people a year. 465 people a day. But it goes unnoticed. 3000 lives in a day is bad, but 465 isn't?
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16th February 2003, 12:50
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And the main issue in Washington nowadays is who to kill first? North
Korea, who has the ability to retaliate with nuclear force (and is an ally to China, Russia, and Vietnam)...or Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 simply because Al-Qaeda is an ENEMY OF THE IRAQI STATE! [/quote] Hi red guy!, I was reading more of this discussion, and found this post. There are a number of issues raised here which are worthy of reply (pretty much the whole post), but the quote above really caught my eye. I just wanted to set the record straight. Russia and China are not allies of North Korea. Vietnam doesn't even count, but judging by their actions, they don't qualify as an ally either. In fact, Vietnam is likely to eclipse North Korea as a world player and an economic force in about two weeks. They want to become a real country, and realize what it takes. Back to Russia and China. Despite the best efforts of some old cold warriors, the path to economic power and freedom is clear. Ideology for it's own sake is a dead end. China is aware of that fact despite it's prideful cling to the communist banner. Russia has moved well beyond China, as communism has lost it's ruling majority there, but in both cases, North Korea is NOT an ally. They all share a history, and there are lingering ties there, but they are not allies. Kim Ill Kookoo and North Korea are a nightmare to Russia and China. Just like dad, Kim 2 is an unpredictable rouge. Uncle Joe Stalin found out about dad in the 50's, and Putin is experiencing dejavue today. North Korea is not a communist State. It is an insufferable despotic dictatorship. I'll bet you dollars to doghnuts that when push comes to shove, both Russia and China either remain neutral or move against North Korea. Even if they remain neutral, they will breathe a sigh of relief when the regime is history. The free market and all of it's flaws are the road to national power and wealth. Russia and China are both on that road, but until China becomes a little more open, I think that Russia will continue to place more importance on it's relationship with the US. Russia plays nice with China because China has economic potential for Russia, and more importantly, because China shares a border and poses a real threat to Russian territory. It is a mistake to try and percieve the world through an ideological filter. The world has changed. Motives have changed. Some of the players who were invited for the sake of ideological solidarity are not nearly as welcome as they used to be. Welcome to the twenty first century. (Vorosilov, give me credit here, as I did say hello to the red guy before responding)<G>
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16th February 2003, 19:56
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Interesting reply voyager, However:
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Have a nice day, Oh BTW, my name is Alexander
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17th February 2003, 07:21
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OK, where do I start. Hmmm... Lets start with Viet Nam. What does the deserved ass kicking that the north gave to the US have to do with what I said? Anyone who made such a half hearted attempt to help their ally (remember South Viet Nam?), and left military descisions to politicians deserves to get their ass kicked. I think the loss of 50,000 American lives will be instructive in the way we fight future conflicts. Of course, you didn't mention a thing about the Soviet invasion of Afganistan, or the communist based dictatorial mass murders initiated by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, and others. Of course not. You appear to be blind to any event that does not support your world view. What about Chechnya? This is round two. It all started during the glorious Soviet era. How many Chechans have been killed? How many patriotic Russian boys continue to die each day? Don't misunderstand, as I think Russia and the world have a real problem there. Unlike you, I don't just assume that everything done by the other guy is evil. But what is the solution? It isn't going too well right now. Next point; You accuse me of speaking for Vietnam, and insist that as an American, I have no right to say anything. If that is the case, why do you bother writing at all? Using your logic, you should have no right to speak about the United States. See how silly that sounds? Imagine the day that you don't speak about the US, and explain to all who are willing to listen what the US "really did, really is, or really wants". I cannot envision such a day. I think that you probably just refuse to accept the great deal of evidence that Viet Nam is becoming a player in world trade, and that Viet Nam and the US have moved beyond mere talks and are actively working together on investment and trade. North Korea becoms further isolated in a paranoid rush to build nuclear weapons, while my old enemy Viet Nam (I lived through that war), is working on feeding it's people and developing wealth as a world partner. It must be easier for you to deny those facts and say that I am not worthy of delivering the message than for you to face them. It is fun to prod each other and make jokes, but that defense only serves to make you look bad. No kidding, don't discard everything someone says just because you think they are full of sh*t. Stay focused on the issue <see Vorosilov, I even offer your fine young communists advice>. I don't think communism is more fair, or offers many chances at all. Given human nature, it is no surprise that every communist nation degraded into system where a select few ruled with unlimited power and in grand style. The masses worked hard for small prizes, and generaly lived a mediocre life. How many peasents enjoyed the finest banya at Sochi every year? Did the Tatars that were driven from their homes live a fine life in Siberia? How many Ukrainians were thinking of party perks in Odessa when Stalin confiscated their crops and caused several MILLION to die the slow death of starvation or face a communist bullet? How about the White Russian paritisans who resisted the Nazis during the Great Patriotic war? According to RUSSIAN archives, Stalin had murdered many thousands of them because he did not trust their party loyalty. It was only after he saw the political value of their efforts that he gave them some support. Was it a fairer system that Stalin offered the 15,000 Polish army officers after he co-invaded Poland with Hiler and had the NKVD murder them in the woods? Don't even try to use the argument that an American can't raise such issues, as they are all supported by Russian archives that came to light after the Soviet Union went broke. They were real events. You probably still deny them. How many Russians who fell through the cracks of Soviet society were sent to a gulag, or to Siberia? If you refer to the musical score "internationale", then I agree. It is very peacful and beautiful. But then again, it is music, not reality. On China, once again you attempted to throw out the evidence by saying that I was not qualified to speak it. I refer you to my earlier advice. By the way, I don't pay too much attention to CNN. I call them the "Communist News Network", and I am as suspicious of their words as I am of yours. You are right that Russia has been having a hard time, and it will continue to do so for a while. I do think, however, that the worst has passed, and that Russia is on the road to recovery at a fast pace. Most of the oligarchs and corruption you mention (in my opinion) are remnants of the old Soviet pecking order and the thousands of corrupt officials that allowed a new generation of quick thinking thieves to take advantage of the situation, while they protected their own interests. I have great hope that they will be removed, and that the general population will reap the benefits of a free market society. China got a head start in world trade, but they have serious production and infrastructure problems on the horizon, whereas Russia is already dealing with it's trouble. I think Russia will come out on top within 15 years. Also, the Yankees have been trading with China for far longer than 15 years. That die was cast back in the late 60's, and has grown to billions of dollars worth of trade. Russia has only begun, and will quickly catch up. I have not yet read the essay on why you are a communist, and I would guess that it is more regurgitation of the same old communist nonsense that left the Soviet Union broke, but I will read it anyway. Since your letters are worthy of my response, your essays deserve to be read. If you took the time to write it, I'll give it a look. It's a stretch to get nostalgic and say that Russia was 1000% better off in the bad old days. Russia is climbing out of an economic nightmare caused by 70 or so years of Soviet rule. There is no magic pill. It will take a long time for the new Russia to peak. To compare the best Soviet years with the ashes of it's last years, and then to blame that situation on the new Constitution is not very fair...or reasonable. Make your comaparison in 20 years. Rebirth does not happen over night. The China ally thing is really wishful thinking. Moscow and the regional governors have both expressed concern over the influx of Chinese into the eastern territories. There is a growing incidence of theft of resources by Chinese, and some concern has been expressed that without rapid development, the eastern frontier could be easy plucking for future Chinese expansion. The Siberian railway really wasn't built as a tourist train. The worry about the east has been on the minds of many generations of Russian leaders. By the way, it is interesting that the new rail link being built is to provide rail trade with South Korea. It will go through North Korea, but since their great communist country has nothing to offer Russia, it's main terminus will be the south. Once again, a great communist nation will offer nothing good to the world, and just collect taxes for the use of it's rail right of way. Also remember that until operation Barberosa began, and Russian blood greased German tank tracks, Hitlers Germany was an ALLY of the Soviet Union as well. Remember it well. If I lived in North Korea, I would go out and celebrate Kim ILL Kookoo's birthday as well. It is a much better plan than eating a bullet. One of the wonderful perks in a totalitarian society is that you never have to worry about feeling guilty about hiding something from the authorities. You neighbor will be happy to tell them for you <G>. Of course, the US is the most facist country on earth. I have read that here many times. I'll be happy to dicuss it with you, but can you first define what a facist is? Do you really know, or is it just a reall evil sounding word that you like to use? We kill thousands of innocent civillians? That is an improvement. You failed to say who died, but at least it is only thousands. Better than the millons that Lenin and uncle Joe whacked. We could talk about that too, just be a little more specific, and forget the drama of throwing numbers and insults around. What about your "brothers in Slovenia and Yugoslavia"? That situation was a mess. I really don't know what the total figures are (see, I can admit that), but I can find out. I do know, however, that deaths brought about by the ethnic inspired killing fest between neighbors took a far greater toll than the "civillian" casualties caused by the effort to stop it. Maybe if you weren't licking Lenin's dead ass, you would have noticed (sorry, but I couldn't resist that one). Do you think it would have been better to do nothing? Or maybe you were hoping that your favorite side would win by killing all of the opposition? Hmmm, that doesn't sound like the wonderful anti racist love and brotherhood communist attitude you write about so often. What does Canada have to do with this? You mentioned some canned communist line about racism and anti semitism here in the US. What the hell are you talking about? There are some durak personalities here, as in every country, but time will leave them behind. All races do well here today, and considering that America has the largest population of Jews outside of Israel, and that they do very well here, I'm not too sure of where you get your information. How many Russian Jews live here? LOTS. If it was so bad here, why do they stay and prosper? How many American Jews and Blacks sought refuge from American anti semitism and racism in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Cuba, Vietnam, or any other communist wonderland? Sorry, but there might have been two. And they were communists to begin with. How easy is it for a muslim from the southern regions to live in Russia today? I watch Russian televion, as well as listen to Russian radio. Do they make up the stories I hear? Yes, I have been to Russia. I love Russia, and plan on returning this summer to visit Volgograd, Baikal, and Irkutsk. It is doing better since the last visit, and I wish Russia all the best. [Edited by Voyager13b on 17th February 2003 at 08:04]
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1st March 2003, 04:35
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