russia and china like brother

[lany2008]

russia and china should against the us together like brother

[KGB-CCCP]

I think that Putin will bring Russia away from the US and closer to China. Any other opinions?

Andrei

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by KGB-CCCP
I think that Putin will bring Russia away from the US and closer to China. Any other opinions?

Andrei

That's a pipe dream. Putin might play the China card for political purposes, but he knows where Russia's real friends live. Lets sit back and watch. Russia and the US become great trading partners first. Then they become military partners. Russia and China will never become open border neighbors like Canada and the US. There is too much distrust. On the other hand, Russia and the US could share world power without fear of border clashes, and Russia will be more secure in the knowlege that the US is it's political and economic friend. That will help keep China a happy trading partner on it's own side of the Russian border.

Voyager

[KGB-CCCP]

[quote]Originally posted by Voyager13b
[b]

Originally posted by KGB-CCCP
That's a pipe dream. Putin might play the China card for political purposes, but he knows where Russia's real friends live. Lets sit back and watch. Russia and the US become great trading partners first. Then they become military partners. Russia and China will never become open border neighbors like Canada and the US. There is too much distrust. On the other hand, Russia and the US could share world power without fear of border clashes, and Russia will be more secure in the knowlege that the US is it's political and economic friend. That will help keep China a happy trading partner on it's own side of the Russian border.

Voyager

I hate to break it to you, but most of the word hates the US, including Russia. The war in Iraq isn't helping, and especially the incident with the diplomats.

Andrei

[bisserk]

China and US are trading like crazy at the moment.

kinda like US and Cuba or USSR trading which is kinda funny, the USSR was the evil empire but China isn't if you see the volume of trading both ways.

But this trade relationship is currently in China's favor, it might be temporary trading as US products china wants to purchase are not allowed to be sold by American companies (mostly high tech products which is kinda funny its actually slowly killing them, there is little need for high tech things, and not many wants to spend so much money buying them). Funny thing is America's biggest (in terms of money and volume) non military export (intel pentium chips) to Europe and Japan(most advanced countries in US trading list) , dont do well in china.

We are seeing a change of situation in china now compared to 10 years ago. For example Chinese now see in stores 70% of the available products are domestic brands, which you didn't see in 1980s, specially in high tech consumer electronics monopolized by US (computers), Europe(music electronics, components) and Japan(consumer electronics).
Why is this important? This will cause some frictions with china as the world's most high tech 1st world powers loose their edge in technology they have complete monopoly in(main edge US and allies had over USSR was electronics and computers).

If you look at America during the 1980s, it wasn't as week as the americans thought they were, America in the 80s was most advanced in some pioneering never done before stuff in field of electronics which are result of the 1990s electronics boom in computers and internet. America pioneered, circuit printed, microprocessors, application of laser into manufacturing of electronics components, electronics controlled machining process, they are not actually that much better compared to what USSR had in 1980s, just cheaper and greater potential. America could expend thousands of cruise missiles for half the price the USSR expends. But during this pioneered time in the 1980s, Chinese ethnics, and immigrant nationals were involved and are now resulting in some of the greatest strangeness that is happening in this field. And if this continues, it will undoubtably bring america in a confrontation with china.

In china, Chinese actually choose their national brand (cyrix C3, and ezras) powered computers over pentium4 out of free will at stores. which is strange for chinese to do out of free will in such luxury thing such as computers

[Voyager13b]

[i]Originally posted by KGB-CCCP I hate to break it to you, but most of the word hates the US, including Russia. The war in Iraq isn't helping, and especially the incident with the diplomats.

Andrei [/b]

Most of the world? I don't think so. Even Russia, an "enemy" since the end of WWII, doesn't hate the US. Granted, Putin and the news outlets maintain suspicion among the population for political purposes, but they try to ballance it carefully. After all, their goal is just like I said: To become major economic and political partners with the US. They just want to avoid any sense of losing national prestige while building that relationship. I don't blame them either.

The diplomat incident was nothing. As I said in the thread on that incident, it was a war zone accident, and it was really Igor Ivanovs' fault. It will NOT affect the future of Russian / US growth.

The war in Iraq might help after all. The Arab nations were shocked to see American tanks in Baghdad. They were even more shocked to see people rejoicing in the streets. They are having a tough time seeing with their own eyes that the Iraqi information minister, Al Jezeera TV, and most other Arab news outlets LIED to them all along about what was happening in Iraq for the past several weeks. If the new Iraq really works as a free nation, I think more Arabs will understand that they have been victims of horse sh*t propaganda artists for the last 40 years.

Voyager

[Soviet_Spetsnaz]

If you think Russia and the U.S are friends, then you're living in a dream world. Wich the Russian veto and Russian anti-Iraq-war debate showed aswell.

Putin and Bush might have common goals against terrorism. But Putin is against the U.S globalization. The Falcons in the U.S government (wich Bush is a part of) have own plans with the world, and Russia doesn't plays a role in it.

Russia is a major power - still, and the USA don't take other major powers into their "organization" --scuring them the only seat in the "super-power-train".