The Commies win in Moldava, what a great place to be a winner

[akhmetbek]

Originally posted by The_bolshevik

I totally agree with you. True marxists are always on the side of the workers.

[Edited by The_bolshevik on 18th June 2003 at 05:31]

OK,name ONE "true marxist",who wasn't...

[The_bolshevik]

Originally posted by akhmetbek
OK,name ONE "true marxist",who wasn't... [/b]

Among the well known ones, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Luxemburg and Liebknecht come to my mind.

[Edited by The_bolshevik on 18th June 2003 at 06:07]

[vorosilov]

Trotzky was a dreamer nothing else.

[The_bolshevik]

Originally posted by vorosilov

Trotzky was a dreamer nothing else.

Clearly an old person like you can serve a young comrade a lot of facts and details to prove his right unless he wants to be considered by the young one nothing else but a bad joke.

[akhmetbek]

Marx,Engels - pipe dreamers...
Ulianov,Bronshtain - mass murderers...
Luxemburg,Libkneht- terrorists...

Nice examples,thanks for prooving my point!

[Kalinin]

Originally posted by akhmetbek
Marx,Engels - pipe dreamers...
Ulianov,Bronshtain - mass murderers...
Luxemburg,Libkneht- terrorists...

Nice examples,thanks for prooving my point!

Marx and Engels were by all means dreamers...theorists. Communism is possible, and so is true democracy- but both are unlikely to become because the current ruling classes wouldn't like losing power. Your statement is completely lacking in any sense (not surprising ), isn't democracy a dream as well? What do you call the philosophers who thought of it- pipe dreamers? US democracy is no true democracy- just like the CCCP was no true communism (but both represent their political ideologies)...your statement is invalid.

Lenin and Trotsky, however, I could understand. Lenin made a huge mistake with his attempts at collectivization- man was a genius, but didn't think it through completely...but there's much more to it...Trotsky on the other hand, was not a mass murderer, but a potential mass murderer, if his ideas of eternal revolution were to have been followed by Lenin (who was against it, I believe), then there would have been true mass murder on the global scale.

I don't know from where you come with Libkneht- the man was a strict anti-militarist! He was the only member of the SPD/Reichstag, if my memory serves me right, who was against the war! He was jailed for pacifism!
Rosa Luxemburg was also jailed for pacifism and was no terrorist, but wrote a few communist (and a bit anti-Bolshevik) books. They were a problem for the fascists and were executed, without them, the Nazis could have come to power much quicker.

[akhmetbek]

I wasn't complitly wrong.I got to admit,I don't know much about the last two,but I was right on target with the others.
BTW,why don't you(and other red-asses) call your idols by theyr REAL names?Why do you have to use the "pogonyalo"?