Propaganda?

[Olya008]

It really gets to me when people try to persuade me that the Soviet Union constantly used propoganda to somehow brainwash people into believing in Communism or whatnot...I don't recall having to get up every morning to pledge my allegiance to the flag of the Soviet Union, and to the republic for which it stood, one nation under Lenin...

-Olya

Bravo Olya, there is more to the story.
At least Lenin was a real person and not a myth derived from some Copy Cat, Hand Down
religious MYTH. Not that Lenin was a great guy or anything like that. But at least you did not have to believe in SUPERSTITION.

[Liev_Ramos]

No propaganda at the begining of the Soviet Union, because its politic and economical system were supported by the revolution, but after Lenin diseased, the fights to get the power of the party broke up that feeling, then when Stalin got the power, almost everything changed in Soviet Union, actually there is dates of Stalin´s repression to his own people just because they use to think different. So, first you should define propanganda because there is a lot of ways like, fear to the system, that´s not a free nation. Yes, maybe Soviet Union had to defend its ideology and show its efectiveness to the west, but not a this cost. I hope we could debate more about it, if I´m wrong please let me know. Da Svidanya

[Dr_Woland]

I think you're quite right, Liev, to set-out this basic difference between Leninism and Stalinism. However, I don't agree that there was "no" propoganda under Leninism. Quite the opposite! There were even special "propoganda trains" which went from town to town (before the days when tv or radio or national newspapers could spread the word quickly) showing cinema propoganda in specially-built "cinema-wagons".

We ought to remember that after 1917, there was Civil War in Russia and USSR until 1925 - a year after Lenin's death. And in war, there is *always* propoganda! :-)

Thanks for an interesting posting, let's try not to be diverted from further discussion by any unwanted , ummmm, "alien" contributions :-))

Dr W.

[Liev_Ramos]

Totally agree with you Dr.W, actually thanks for reply in a valious maner, maybe what I couldn´t explain at all is that, the exciting of the revolution was so intense that propaganda had the best chance to penetrate into the russians´s minds, I know that, that kind of political and economic system have to take the initiative of an entire nation to become true. Doing the diferentiation between Leninism and Stalinism the propaganda had to be different, the Soviet Union under Lenin was supported by the hopes of million of citizens that were expecting for a new and a good way of life, that they were willing to coolaborate with the system, with Stalin russians were dissapointed, actually Stalin´s wife make a suicide because he felt that the purity of the ideals were betrayed, the point is that Stalin used the most exaustive propaganda to mantein the Soviet Union to the West, and Kruschev did it the same, Leonid B., he did it too, the propaganda were becoming strong gradually.

Dr. W., hope that you could understand what I´m trying to explain.

[Dr_Woland]

Hiya

>> actually Stalin´s wife make a suicide because he felt that the purity of the ideals were betrayed <<

I think that she was also traumatised about the extent of his extra-marital love-affairs too, though?

Dr W.

[Liev_Ramos]

Dear Dr. W, I really think that you could teach us something more valious, than a simple reply, remember what you wrote last time, so; I going to wait for an answer that promote the continuity of the comments, about the Stalin´s wife it was just ilustrative, not the main point of the comment. Both were doing good, see you.