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Old 23rd October 2000, 19:19
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Democracy in Russia? Is it a kind of joke? )
I hope everything will change in the future, but there is no REAL democracy in Russia now.

Putin is (was) colonel of KGB!!! So, what are you talking about?! People, who worked in KGB, used to control us and don't hope they can change their minds so fast. Only time will cure them )
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Old 23rd October 2000, 19:55
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Resource-Colony Prime needs only a military and an intelligence apparatus to assure its continuity. Democracy? INDEED!
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Old 23rd October 2000, 20:09
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I bet you know that better than me! But as I said, it will develope! Right? Well, atleast I hope so =)
Oh, by the way, have you noticed any increase of western products in Russia? (you are from Russia, right?) Like food products and such? And other products as well.
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Old 23rd October 2000, 22:12
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The ever-increasing investment by multi-national cooperations in Russia ought to serve as the unalterable manifesto that will determine future of the Euro-Asian peoples. Or who here believes that past and current welfarism handouts are without a price? Finally, Petri, I don't see where the country one lives in has very much to do with one's knowledge of other countries. Perhaps, you have not yet learned to use the Internet as an intelligence tool. Peace
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Old 24th October 2000, 12:31
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***Vot uzhe dva goda kak rossijskaya ekonomika, perezhiv finansovyj krizis avgusta 1998 g., naxoditsya v faze pod`ema. V tretij raz za poslednie desyat' let v ekonomike poyavilis' polozhitel'nye predposylki. Mozhno li ot vremennogo kon`yunkturnogo "vosstanovitel'nogo" ozhivleniya perejti k dolgosrochnomu samopodderzhivayuschemusya ekonomicheskomu rostu? Obychno govoryat o nalogovoj i tamozhennoj sisteme, zemel'noj reforme, finansovoj stabilizatsii, bezdefitsitnom byudzhete i t.p. Vse eto vazhno, no ostavlyaet v storone klyuchevuyu problemu, s kotoroj stalkivaetsya lyuboj chelovek, veduschij biznes v nashej strane, - problemu vlasti. Glavnuyu problemu, bez udovletvoritel'nogo resheniya kotoroj vse ostal'nye usiliya po bol'shomu schetu pojdut nasmarku.
***Lyuboe, dazhe samoe ideal'noe zakonodatel'stvo ne budet opredelyat' nastroeniya delovogo soobschestva, esli zakony v strane ne ispolnyayutsya ili ispolnyayutsya izbiratel'no. Bolee togo, dazhe esli dopustit', chto vlast' v strane vser'ez namerena zhit' "po zakonu", nikto ne zastraxovan ot togo, chto eti zakony budut proizvol'no menyat'sya samoj vlast'yu bez ucheta mneniya i interesov tex, kogo eti zakony ser'ezno zatragivayut.
***Pochemu kapital bezhit na Zapad, gde zakony v ekonomicheskoj sfere v tselom strozhe i "neudobnej" rossijskix, a pravitel'stva menyayutsya podchas ne rezhe, chem u nas? Prezhde vsego potomu, chto est' uverennost': tam lyuboe pravitel'stvo, vlast' v tselom ne mogut ne uvazhat' kollektivnoe mnenie tex, v ch'ix rukax naxoditsya sobstvennost' i v svyazi s etim otvetstvennost' za podderzhanie zhiznesposobnosti i blagosostoyaniya obschestva. Pri lyubyx izmeneniyax v zakonax i pravilax oni ne vyjdut za ramki nekoego vzaimoponimaniya mezhdu ofitsial'nymi vlastnymi strukturami i klassom legitimnyx sobstvennikov, pozvolyayuschego poslednim planirovat' svoi dejstviya na dlitel'nuyu perspektivu.
***U nas situatsiya inaya, i otkrovennoe priznanie etogo fakta dolzhno byt' isxodnym punktom ekonomicheskoj strategii lyubogo rossijskogo pravitel'stva - pravogo, tsentristskogo, levogo. Novyj klass sobstvennikov (te, kto segodnya real'no rasporyazhaetsya osnovnymi ekonomicheskimi resursami, i v pervuyu ochered' proizvodstvennymi aktivami) otkrovenno ne verit ofitsial'noj vlasti i schitaet ee sposobnoj na lyubye, dazhe samye bezrassudnye shagi. Administratsiya, v svoyu ochered', ne verit (i vo mnogom ne bez osnovaniya) v sotsial'nuyu otvetstvennost' biznesa i neyavno isxodit iz posyla: pri otsutstvii "vsevidyaschego oka" gosudarstva predprinimateli budut vesti sebya kak marodery na okkupirovannoj territorii.
***Glubokoe vzaimnoe nedoverie vlasti i biznesa ne mozhet ne vliyat' i na vzaimootnosheniya mezhdu ekonomicheskimi sub`ektami voobsche: banki ne veryat klientam, klienty - bankam, predpriyatiya - svoim kreditoram i partneram, a naselenie voobsche nikomu ne verit i schitaet, chto esli segodnya ego kto-to ne obmanul, to eto tol'ko potomu, chto obmanul vchera ili sobiraetsya krupno obmanut' zavtra. Nikogo ne udivlyaet i dazhe ne vozmuschaet, chto zakony v nashej strane ispolnyayutsya lish' v toj stepeni, v kotoroj oni vygodny tem, dlya kogo zakon ne pomexa (ili, v krajnem sluchae, postol'ku, poskol'ku oni nikomu ne meshayut). Naibolee aktivnaya chast' naseleniya uzhe privykla, chto my zhivem ne v pravovoj, a v "dogovornoj" ekonomike, gde dejstvovat' nado soobrazno ne formal'nym zakonam ili podzakonnym aktam, a dogovorennosti s temi, kto mozhet na eti dejstviya ser'ezno vliyat' - v negativnom ili pozitivnom plane. Prichem skazannoe otnositsya ne tol'ko k tem, kto rasschityvaet pobol'she zarabotat' i poskoree "svalit' iz etoj strany", no i k tem, kto vidit sebya otvetstvennym, zakonoposlushnym i patrioticheski nastroennym grazhdaninom svoej strany. Kak eto ni paradoksal'no, razgovory o gryaduschej "diktature zakona" vyzyvayut obespokoennost' imenno etix, sotsial'no otvetstvennyx i sklonnyx k zakonoposlushnosti, ekonomicheski naibolee aktivnyx grazhdan.
***Problema v tom, chto ekonomicheskoe zakonodatel'stvo "novoj Rossii" takovo, chto lyubaya popytka dobit'sya ego tochnogo soblyudeniya neminuemo privedet k paralichu bol'shej chasti ekonomicheskoj deyatel'nosti, osuschestvlyaemoj segodnya na ee territorii.
***Eti zakony, mozhet byt', i sootvetstvuyut nekim "zapadnym standartam"., no Rossiya po etim standartam nikogda ne zhila i v obozrimom buduschem zhit' ne budet. Da i pisalis' novye zakony v nachale 90-x godov vovse ne ddya togo, chtoby strana po nim zhila a dlya togo, chtoby poluchit' pod nix zapadnye den'gi - chto nazyvaetsya, "nam by den' prostoyat' da noch' proderzhat'sya" vo vlasti, a tam, deskat', razberemsya. (Kstati, xotya v opredelennyx krugax i prinyato govorit' ob etom periode kak ob epoxe "demokraticheskogo romantizma", krushenie illyuzij u bol'shinstva "romantikov vo vlasti" po strannoj zakonomernosti pochti vsegda soprovozhdalos' priobreteniem imi vpolne real'nyx sostoyanij.) 'Strana zhe v eto vremya, rukovodstvuyas' glavnym obrazom instinktom vyzhivaniya, vyrabatyvala dlya sebya opredelennye pravila: kak nado zhit', komu i skol'ko platit', kogo i naskol'ko boyat'sya. V rezul'tate k kontsu el'-tsinskogo perioda nachalo skladyvat'sya poka esche zybkoe, no vse bolee opredelennoe vzaimoponimanie, pozvolyavshee videt' i planirovat' ekonomicheskuyu deyatel'nost' esli ne na desyat' let, to xotya by na god vpered. I net segodnya nichego xuzhe dlya ekonomiki, chem popytat'sya vlomit'sya v eti ustanavlivayuschiesya otnosheniya predskazuemosti s dubinoj "diktatury zakona", unichtozhaya tem samym rostki (ili ostatki - kak posmotret') vzaimnogo doveriya mezhdu sub`ektami ekonomiki.
***Pri vsej neeffektivnosti i "nepravil'nosti" rossijskoj ekonomicheskoj sistemy s tochki zreniya klassicheskix predstavlenij o "tsivilizovannoj" ekonomike imenno ona segodnya podderzhivaet zhizn' ogromnoj massy predpriyatij i zavisyaschix ot nix lyudej, i neuklyuzhaya popytka "vypravit'" logiku ix xozyajstvennogo povedeniya mozhet, naoborot, paralizovat' poslednyuyu ili po krajnej mere sokratit' ee masshtaby. Strogo govorya, imenno ponimanie takoj opasnosti na individual'nom urovne vsemi xozyajstvennymi i politicheskimi liderami vedet k tomu, chto nikem, sobstvenno, ne osparivaemyj tezis o neobxodimosti "obespechit' silami gosudarstva strogoe i neukosnitel'noe soblyudenie zakona" nikto ne sobiraetsya segodnya voploschat' na praktike. Bolee togo, esli, naprimer, vosem' let nazad esche byl vozmozhen nekij perevorot (grubo govorya, gosudarstvo moglo otnyat' resursy i predpriyatiya u odnix upravlyayuschix, nekompetentnyx i zhulikovatyx, i otdat' v ruki drugix, predpolozhitel'no umnyx i chestnyx), to segodnya eto fizicheski i texnologicheski nevozmozhno.
***Bol'shinstvo predpriyatij, kotorye teper', spustya devyat' let posle nachala krizisnoj lomki, prodolzhayut rabotat' i prinosit' doxod tem, kto na nix zanyat i imi upravlyaet, dejstvitel'no prisposobilis' k novym usloviyam. V tom chisle i k risku nasil'stvennyx dejstvij so storony. Sluchajno li, chto krupnejshie predpriyatiya, sostavlyayuschie segodnya xrebet rossijskoj ekonomiki (pri vsej skromnosti samootsenki, ne samoj malen'koj v Evrope), po vsem formal'nym pokazatelyam s uchetom mezhdunarodnoj metodologii otsenki xarakterizuyutsya nezavidnym finansovym polozheniem? Krupnye predpriyatiya, prinosyaschie skol'ko-nibud' suschestvennuyu pribyl', pri uslovii opredeleniya poslednej po zapadnym printsipam finansovogo ucheta, mozhno bukval'no pereschitat' na pal'tsax. Dividendy v aktsionernyx obschestvax, esli oni voobsche vyplachivayutsya, imeyut simvolicheskie razmery. Rossijskix kompanij, aktsii kotoryx aktivno torguyutsya na birzhax, ne naberetsya i dvux desyattov, da i te imeyut bolee chem skromnuyu kapitalizatsiyu. V tozhe vremya eti neeffektivnye i maloprivlekatel'nye s tochki zreniya formal'nyx finansovyx pokazatelej predpriyatiya splosh' i ryadom stanovyatsya ob`ektom ser'eznoj bor'by za kontrol' nad nimi, prichem bor'by stol' ostroj i ozhestochennoj, chto mnogie ne samye bednye v strane lyudi soglashayutsya podvergat' v nej opasnosti sobstvennuyu zhizn'.
***Predpriyatiya, kotorye po vsem formal'nym kriteriyam uzhe davno dolzhny byli obankrotit'sya i zakryt'sya, ne tol'ko prodolzhayut rabotat', no i zagadochnym obrazom uxitryayutsya privlekat' sredstva dlya ves'ma znachitel'nyx investitsij i rasplachivat'sya po svoim vneshnim obyazatel'stvam. Ofitsial'no vse vsem dolzhny, sub`ekty v massovom poryadke ne vypolnyayut svoix obyazatel'stv drug pered drugom
*-* i vmeste s tem godami prodolzhayut rabotat' i podderzhivat' svyazi. Tol'ko naivnye lyudi mogut ob`yasnyat' vse eto nekoej rossijskoj "osobost'yu" ili, togo xuzhe, "tyazhkim naslediem sovetskogo proshlogo". Na samom dele vidimoe nesootvetstvie mezhdu formal'nym neblagopoluchiem mnogix predpriyatij i ostroj zainteresovannost'yu v nix ob`yasnyaetsya isklyuchitel'no tem, chto eti predpriyatiya yavlyayutsya, podobno zavodskomu tsexu, sostavnoj chast'yu bolee krupnyx i slozhnyx sxem i struktur, v tselom rabotayuschix ochen' effektivno i pribyl'no, s tochki zreniya ix vladel'tsev i upravlyayuschix. Buxgalterskaya ubytochnost' otdel'nyx predpriyatij ne isklyuchaet vysokoj effektivnosti sistemy, chast'yu kotoroj oni yavlyayutsya. A s uchetom togo, chto otnosheniya sobstvennosti vnutri kazhdoj sistemy neprozrachny, a sami oni po bol'shej chasti gluboko internatsionalizirovany, podobnye sxemy, pomimo prochego, minimiziruyut riski, svyazannye s vozmozhnoj natsionalizatsiej ili "pereprivatizatsiej".
***Upravlenie predpriyatiyami s pomosch'yu svoego roda "udalennyx" sxem, kogda sobstvenno upravlenie, a takzhe finansy i texnologii predprinimatel'skix grupp vyneseny za predely rossijskoj yurisdiktsii, lishaet natsionalizatsiyu ekonomicheskogo smysla. Grubo govorya, vlast' mozhet otnyat' u nyneshnego vladel'tsa prokatnyj stan ili, dopustim, liniyu po proizvodstvu ximicheskoj produktsii, no pribyl'noe ix ispol'zovanie budet problematichnym, poskol'ku rossijskoe predpriyatie, na balanse kotorogo eto oborudovanie naxoditsya, uzhe ne imeet ni sobstvennyx finansovyx resursov, ni snabzhenchesko-sbytovoj .seti, ni polnogo komplekta neobxodimyx dlya raboty s dannoj produktsiej texnologicheskix sluzhb. Sozdavat' zhe vse eto zanovo nyneshnemu gosudarstvu, estestvenno, ne pod silu.
***Podobnoe polozhenie umen'shaet vozmozhnosti vlasti okazyvat' vliyanie na povedenie ekonomicheskix sub`ektov i s pomosch'yu klassicheskix rynochnyx instrumentov (var'irovanie stepen'yu zhestkosti byudzheta, kontrol' za denezhnoj massoj, regulirovanie kreditnoj ekspansii, operatsii denezhnyx vlastej na valyutnyx rynkax i t.d.). poskol'ku pri prinyatii strategicheskix reshenij v ramkax krupnyx internatsionalizirovannyx struktur nazvannye faktory imeyut vtorostepennoe znachenie. Sostoyanie rossijskix finansovyx rynkov, kotorye, sobstvenno, i yavlyayutsya glavnym neposredstvennym ob`ektom regulirovaniya pri pomoschi etix rychagov, okazyvaet na deyatel'nost' klyuchevyx rossijskix predpriyatij lish' oposredovannoe i neznachitel'noe vliyanie.
***Takim obrazom, vozmozhnosti gosudarstva v plane vozdejstviya na aktivnost' real'nogo sektora v segodnyashnej Rossii krajne ogranichenny. No znachit li eto) chto gosudarstvo dolzhno prevratit'sya v statista, otvodya sebe rol' zritelya ili v luchshem sluchae blagozhelatel'nogo arbitra pri reshenii melkix sporov mezhdu ekonomicheskimi sub`ektami? V nashej situatsii - net.
***Formiruyuscheesya vzaimoponimanie, o kotorom shla rech' vyshe, chrezvychajno zybko i neprochno. Ono, bezuslovno, nuzhdaetsya v ^om, chtoby v obschestve suschestvovala moschnaya sila, sposobstvuyuschaya ego stanovleniyu i re****el'no presekayuschaya tex, kto ego otvergaet, namerevayas' igrat' po svoim sobstvennym pravilam. Nikto, krome gosudarstva, a tochnee - krome federal'noj vlasti, vzyat' na sebya etu rol' v Rossii segodnya ne v sostoyanii.
***K tomu zhe formal'noe pravo, ekonomicheskoe zakonodatel'stvo dolzhno byt' privedeno v sootvetstvie s real'no skladyvayuschimsya vzaimoponimaniem otnositel'no pravil ekonomicheskogo vzaimodejstviya. Nevozmozhno obespechit' vypolnenie zakonov, esli oni ne ispolnyayutsya 95 protsentami ekonomicheskix sub`ektov. Naprotiv, esli zakony budut takovy, chto podavlyayuschee bol'shinstvo predpriyatij i grazhdan real'no, kak prinyato govorit' "po zhizni", vynuzhdeny ix priderzhivat'sya, to dlya togo, chtoby presech' bezzakonie so storony neznachitel'nogo ix men'shinstva, u gosudarstva najdutsya i sredstva, i vozmozhnosti.
***Mexanizm poiska podobnyx vzaimopriemlemyx dlya biznesa i obschestva reshenij ocheviden: dialog s real'nym biznesom - zhestkij, no realistichnyj. Itogom takogo dialoga dolzhny stat' soglasovannye parametry nalogovoj, tamozhennoj, valyutnoj i administrativnoj sistem, kotorye i dolzhny byt' polozheny v osnovu popravok k suschestvuyuschemu zakonodatel'stvu, a v sluchae neobxodimosti - i korennogo ego peresmotra. Rabota po nalazhivaniyu takogo dialoga kak na otraslevom, tak i na obschexozyajstvennom urovne chrezvychajno trudna i neblagodarna, no nachinat' ee nado. Initsiativa zdes', bezuslovno, dolzhna isxodit' ot vlasti, no i biznes dolzhen predprinyat' aktivnye usiliya dlya svoej samoorganizatsii i samodistsiplinirovaniya.
***Nachinat' etot protsess sleduet nezamedlitel'no, inache polozhitel'naya energiya nyneshnego promyshlennogo pod`ema konchitsya ran'she, chem budut sozdany neobxodimye institutsional'nye usloviya dlya zakrepleniya tendentsii k ustojchivomu ekonomicheskomu rostu. Ne budet preuvelicheniem skazat', chto fakticheski rech' idet o tom, chtoby nachat' ekonomicheskie reformy zanovo, pust' i iz drugogo isxodnogo sostoyaniya.
***Neobxodimo priznat', chto "reformy radi reform", provodivshiesya s orientatsiej ne na konechnye rezul'taty, a na abstraktnye kriterii, ne tol'ko ne povysili, no, naoborot, snizili effektivnost' obschestvennogo proizvodstva, razrushili mexanizmy, obespechivavshie vozmozhnost' ustojchivogo i dolgosrochnogo ekonomicheskogo rosta. Postoyannye izmeneniya pravil igry i otkazy gosudarstva vypolnyat' svoi obyazatel'stva i funktsii, podmena tsivilizovannogo pravovogo regulirovaniya volyuntaristskimi politicheskimi resheniyami; molchalivoe, a poroj i otkrytoe odobrenie protivozakonnyx operatsij, popustitel'stvo korruptsii i dejstviyam, protivorechaschim obschestvennym interesam, - vse eto privelo k uxudsheniyu ekonomicheskix uslovij dlya chestnyx i zakonoposlushnyx proizvoditelej, "vydavlivaniyu" ekonomiki v "ten'".
***Povedenie rossijskoj vlasti v techenie poslednix desyati let, sobstvenno govorya, i sformirovalo tu otvratitel'nuyu ekonomicheskuyu i delovuyu sredu, kotoraya ukorenilas' i k kotoroj teper' sledovalo by prisposablivat'sya.
***Priznav vse eto, gosudarstvo obyazano segodnya sdelat' maksimum vozmozhnogo, chtoby v sotrudnichestve so zdorovoj chast'yu rossijskogo biznesa vyrabotat', a zatem i obespechit' soblyudenie prostyx, ponyatnyx i oformlennyx zakonami pravil ekonomicheskoj igry. Odnako v poslednee vremya situatsiya ser'ezno oslozhnyaetsya tem, chto teper' vlast' v litse absolyutnogo bol'shinstva svoix predstavitelej vsex urovnej i rangov, vplot' do samogo verxa, na samom dele svirepo nenavidit rossijskuyu chastnuyu ekonomiku, predprinimatel'stvo i biznes. I esli eto tak, to real'noe vzaimoponimanie mezhdu biznesom i vlast'yu stanovitsya nevozmozhnym, a zadacha ustojchivogo ekonomicheskogo rosta v nyneshnix politicheskix usloviyax - nerazreshimoj.
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>> Finally, Petri, I don't see where the country one lives in has very much to do with one's knowledge of other countries. Perhaps, you have not yet learned to use the Internet as an intelligence tool. <<

"The medium is the message".

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Sure I know rich western country companies are spreading their sticky tentacles to Russia. But I donīt think Russians are just standing by idle not having a clue what to do. =)
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