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I'm impressed. You took a long time to say nothing at all. I really do mean nothing. Nationalistic babble and double talk substituted for reasonable rebuttal. Instead of discussing issues, you simply accused, demanded more proof, or simply sidestepped each point I made. It seems as though you will protect your view of Soviet accomplishments against all odds. Even reason.

It is good to see that you can critisise yourself so well. I just don't understand why do apply it to me.

It took me about five minutes to reply to you, it's just that unlike you I do not get paid by Pentagon to ensure that this forum meets a quota of their propaganda. And unlike you, I have committments in my life.

Your demand that I provide more details about my source is little more than an attempt to focus on something other than the topic at hand. Why?

Because either you are lying or that "military" friend of yours should be in prison. Was he a zampolit?

Current examples are in western hands, as are late western weapons in Russian hands, and detailed operational drawings and descriptions are in the public domain.

No official technical drawings are available, neither are complete evaluation of the weapon. Current examples are in western hands, and you know this from?


Sorry to contradict you, but there are many Americans who can pronounce his name, and although he was a prolific fixed wing designer in Russia, it seems to me that his most noteworthy design breakthroughs in the field of rotary wing aircraft were made here in the US.

He made his invention in the flesh in US. After he was assured that the invention was in the final state, he did not design anything else, although M. L. Mil', with whom Sikorskiy had a very close friendship and with whom he constantly talked through letters, did.

The production numbers I quoted for the TU-4 were provided by Russian State archives, thank you very much.

In Russian State archive? How did you manage to do that? Also considering that the plane was produced ion the second half of 1940s.

My comparison of the AEK with the AN-94 was predicated with the statement that I have only a cursory knowledge of the AEK. Without even considering that fact, your response was silly.

To you it was, as you did exactly what I said.

You can claim, through your incredibly dense hate for America that "no Russian will ever become American", but tens of thousands of real Russian born Americans have proved you to be a liar over the years.

What do Russian born Americans have to do with Russians?

Your hate driven fantasy about Americans not walking on the moon will be be debunked in a few years, as China has made moon exploration one of it's goals, and I expect that their photographic evidence of American footprints will silence your silly chatter about the subject. Unless, of course, you decide that the Chicoms are part of the conspiracy....

So if there will be footprints of our cosmanuats on Venus would it mean that man was on Venus?

By the way, fukk the French. There is nothing that even begins to give the French judgemental authority in the field of space exploration, and it wasn't that long ago that they did their best to piss on the Russian nation, yet because they happen to agree with your point of view, you place their opinion up on a pedestal. How sweet you are....


Their opinion. May I ask why do you try to state anything at all about "space exploration" when you make statements like that? Have you ever heard of GPS or Ariene? Present French space technologies are more advanced than those of NASA.

What else... Your explanation for the lack of FBW in Russian aircraft is pure fantasy. That might have worked 30 years ago, but the arguments are no longer valid, and are made even more irrelevent by the current rush to FBW by Russian designers. Once again, blind hatred has guided you to look for pearls in a sh!t pile.

Can't say anything else in response? I'm not suprised. Current rush to FBW is constituted by vectoring nosseles and advanced guidance systems, the planes can do without FBW just as well. It seems that you can't accept the fact that US is still technologically behind USSR of 1988, and that most of your "advanced technologies" (from computers to VSTOL system in JSF) are of Russian origin, sold by the goverment officials.

How about the awesome Russian radar that you mention? If it is so superior, why did India just sign a billion dollar deal to buy Russian AWACS style aircraft fitted with Israeli radar/electronics? Why did another recent customer in the Asian area buy Sukhoi fighters fitted with western avionics (including radar)? I wonder....

Again, if you knew anything about the issue, or tried to satisfy you incompetence before writing this you would not have asked this. Russian OKBs under contracts of Ministry of Defence do not sell their technologies (not after Damanskiy), Israeli and French ones do. Russia also does not provide enough spare parts and service after a sale.

Our Germans vs your Germans. Nice try, but you danced around my comment by attempting to discredit the Hun rocket scientists as war criminals. No matter what they did, or who they were assosciated with, the German scientists that were "appropriated" by the SU provided the entire foundation for the SU space and missile effort. Like I said, Russians were given all the credit in reports to the Soviet population, and to the world. Your rebuttal was a silly justification for stolen credit.

Yet again the same thing. Do you know who the inventor of a modern rocket is? N. Kibalchich. Care to guess his nationality? The first airplane powered by a liquid rocket engine was also made in Russia in 1942. Missiles were very often used in the war, long before "appropriated" Germans. Russian space program was started by K. E. Tsialkovskiy, and developed on his model made in 1920s. Russian rockets are Russian, that's why they were so different from American ones. The German foundation of our missiles is an utter myth made up by US to cover their own incompetancy.

I know of Stalin better than you do, and for several reasons. One, I have family members who escaped his madness before they could be propagandized into thinking that the murderer was God.

And I am actually from Boston, so there you go, I know more about USA than you.

So your relatives were bolsheviks, that probably came here from the USA in the first place. I'm very sorry they've gotten away alive.

You know, your posts very much remind me of speeches made in our parliament, especially of Chubais' speeches. I guess you have the same blood flowing through your veins.

[WPOCC]

lol,
zampolit=the most annoying person in the soviet military

[Edited by WPOCC on 21st October 2003 at 20:42]

[Zhasonfomitschyuelen]

I hear you all talking abt.the U.S. and how there the most advanced in the world and I agree with you, Russia is not far behind us. and when I say "us" I also saying that I am an American, and glad to be one too. Here you tlk abt. how advanced the U.S. is and that you think that Russia will take the U.S. out, why should you care who kills who? We are all people, DEAL WITH IT!

[WPOCC]

Originally posted by Zhasonfomitschyuelen
I hear you all talking abt.the U.S. and how there the most advanced in the world and I agree with you, Russia is not far behind us. and when I say "us" I also saying that I am an American, and glad to be one too. Here you tlk abt. how advanced the U.S. is and that you think that Russia will take the U.S. out, why should you care who kills who? We are all people, DEAL WITH IT!

good point population control and basic human nature
look at the lion who wandersint another lions territory he gets jacked so look at humans if yoiu stop and think were jsut like those lions

[Voyager13b]

Hmmm... I can tell that it took you 5 minutes to type your reply. Once again, you said nothing of value.

You dismiss all of my comments by making accusations, or spouting pure BS, and you appear to live in a Soviet dream world. The revelation that you live in Boston explains quite a bit, but I don't understand how living in such a peoples republic bestows upon you a greater knowledge of the US than I might have.

If you do live in Boston, how is it that you have failed to notice that the AN-94 has been fired, evaluated and field stripped in several (western) television productions, including a recently aired show on the History Channel?

Why do you insist that the weapon is a State secret, when it is obvious to the most casual observer that this is not the case?

By the way, my friend had been involved in production engineering, and was not a political officer of the party. Our conversations didn't violate any Russian laws either. As a matter of fact, your tone reeks of zampolit mentality.

The Russian archives are what became of the incredible volume of Soviet State documents. What's your problem with that?

Oh, since you ask what Russian born Americans have to do with anything, I suppose you are suggesting that any Russian who exits the country no longer has a valid opinion. That's nice, but if that'a the case, why are you flapping your gums?

Pretty much all the rest of your remarks were Soviet revisionist bull sh!t. I loved the part where your well of party lies became so dry that you had to resort to wishing that my relatives died before they escaped the tyrany of the SU. That was a nice touch, and really made me look forward to debating you in the future.

Since you are so keen on passing along fantasy facts though, why didn't you mention that the White House in Washington was built with Soviet technology, or that Russians invented the light bulb, and that Henry Ford used stolen Soviet State secrets to develop the concept of mass production? You can get on a roll here.

The half truth about a Russian inventing the modern rocket is a classic. Kind of like Michelangelo inventing the first airplane. Russia invented the computer, Russian tech is 20 years ahead of the west, blah, blah, blah. You are so full of sh!t that your eyes are brown.

Russians are a great people, but their leadership (in the past) spent more time killing or imprisoning great Russian minds than they did supporting their work. People like you talk a great line of BS, but fail to account for the fact that all of your fantasy technology has done little to bring the rural population of Russia into a 21'st century standard of living. Your blind nationalism won't do a thing to change the facts of history, or to help Russia grow.

Voyager

[WPOCC]

lol diaper rash

[USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR]

ok why did u all stop replying and sh*t. heres the new question. who are the top 5 most powerful nations in the world. heres the official list (my list) USA, Russia, China, Israel, Britian.