us and russia

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by Balamut
Agree with Kalinin.
And Voyager, russians invented the light bulb.

Let's see, that must have been Thomas Alvonov Edisonovitch, da? I think his laboratory was located in Menloparkskoya gorod.

Voyager

[Balamut]

No
Mr. Thomas Alvonov Edisonovitch invented and patented his lamp in 1879.(If I leave out smt. please - supplement)
But there also was mr. Yablochkin and mr. Ladigin.
First mister illuminated Avenue de lÕ Opera in Paris in may 1778.
Second mister did it evene arlier - in 1873 in Snt.Petersburg.
Well in 1853 one mister named Henry Gebel - emigrant from germany - in 1854 made a lamp with bamboo filament. (If I'm not mistaken, Edison did the same - puted coal filament in bamboo just in vacuum)
Difference was that Edisons bulbs was more reliable and lasted longer.
Edison perfected the idea, but didn't invented the light bulb.

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by Balamut
No
Mr. Thomas Alvonov Edisonovitch invented and patented his lamp in 1879.(If I leave out smt. please - supplement)
But there also was mr. Yablochkin and mr. Ladigin.
First mister illuminated Avenue de lÕ Opera in Paris in may 1778.
Second mister did it evene arlier - in 1873 in Snt.Petersburg.
Well in 1853 one mister named Henry Gebel - emigrant from germany - in 1854 made a lamp with bamboo filament. (If I'm not mistaken, Edison did the same - puted coal filament in bamboo just in vacuum)
Difference was that Edisons bulbs was more reliable and lasted longer.
Edison perfected the idea, but didn't invented the light bulb.

Well, the Wright brothewrs were not the first in the air either. They were the first (so far as I know) to stay there for a few seconds without the help of wind lift. Edison (the prick that he was), introduced the idea of heating a filiment in a vacuuum to the world of electric illumination. That was the key, as lots of people used consumable elements to produce light in the past. Whether in or out of a bulb, the problem was that the glowing ember that emitted light was (in one way or another) fuel. By introducing the vacuum, Edison changed that situation, and invented the technology that is still used to this day to convert electrical current into bright, room filling light, without consuming the emitter in the process.

Radio is a different story. If you claim that it was a Russian who invented radio communication, I will agree. Marconi was a bright guy, but he used showmanship and what would now be called Soviet techniques to one up the competition and take global credit for the work of Popov.

Back to the light bulb, Edison wasn't working in a vacuum (pun intended). There were lots of people from around the world looking at the same goal, glass globes and all. He made the concept of electric illumination work. He gave us near white light, for useful periods of time without burning anything but electricity. He made electric light a practical reality. Give credit where it is due.

Voyager

[Kalinin]

[quote]Originally posted by eyeradi8

Originally posted by Kalinin
Untrue-
No, it's quite true.

US soldiers are NOT the best trained.
Yes they are.

All training is practically similar for all nations except maybe for specops.
Nope.

US is better simply because the nation has money
Can't argue there. But, we're the best militarily because we generally spent that money wisely.

(well, if put up against China, US would probably loose a conventional war).
Not likely.

If I follow your logic about training, in the SU troops were on above US conventional military troops because service was mandatory
That doesn't make for a better military.

and you learned how to shoot an AK in middle school.
That's not a big task.

I'll bet you $100 my mom would beat many regular US troops in sharp-shooting competitions because she recieved arms training back in school (she shoots better than my dad or I- but we go shooting rarely).
I doubt it.

But the fact of the matter is, little does it matter how "well trained" your conventional army is, it only matters how much money you have-
Nope.

isn't it always interesting to find that rich nations do better than any others in sports, military, space, etc. The SU was rich once and benefitted, and the US is rich and benefits. Have money, everything else will fall into place.
Nope, having money alone won't get you there.

Eye...you know you don't get anywhere like this- where is the support for your agruments, one word answers don't do.

Nope, having money alone won't get you there.

Of course it will Eye- all great nations is history have had one thing in common- lots of money. Once you have money, all leaders magically pop up (if they're even needed), and everything goes well. Its a fact Eye, all the great civilizations support it- as soon as the money declines, so does the empire. China's army is ten times that of America, by man power alone it would probably overwhelm the US.

Eye, just a question, what tragic even in life made you such an adamant defender of America? I remember you said you were born in Russian and came here at the age of eight...I came here at 4, and I don't embrace America (which is rather strange, I admit)...

[justin1987]

i dont underswtand what this thing is doing here in the first place! in case any of u havent noticed yet, this is a science column!

[Balamut]

I certainly give. The whole question turns not on disclaime or proof of facts but in what must be called an invetion - the definition of it.

[/quote]i dont underswtand what this thing is doing here in the first place! in case any of u havent noticed yet, this is a science column![quote]

..mysterious are the ways of the posters.

[Kalinin]

[quote]Originally posted by eyeradi8

Originally posted by Kalinin
Eye...you know you don't get anywhere like this-
I got where I needed to get.

where is the support for your agruments, one word answers don't do.
Where's the support for your arguments?

Of course it will Eye- all great nations is history have had one thing in common- lots of money. Once you have money, all leaders magically pop up (if they're even needed), and everything goes well. Its a fact Eye, all the great civilizations support it- as soon as the money declines, so does the empire.
I stand by what I've already posted.

China's army is ten times that of America, by man power alone...
...it would call for ten times more body bags.

Where's the support for your arguments?

You presented the argument so you should have had the facts.

I got where I needed to get.

In other words, you got nowhere...

I stand by what I've already posted.

So do I- but my argument here has support unlike yours concerning this topic

...it would call for ten times more body bags.

On the US side