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[STritonE]

I found interesting video...

[princessflower]

Well I realy hope that for return of the kING you could trade that and do that! Because it is importan that we still have OUR SECURITY NO MATTER what came from THEM!The weather space station took EVERYTHING in the W O R S T way and has to be stopped.That is why violence is why in a trade deal between the air force and the and the other peoples ideas has to be traded in a way that everyone is happy.And sence it is there it can be done for the release of things you may have for the things that you do realy want.The Tsar of the days of the kingstown scoring then it realy can be done the true king is healthy and saved by them and in better condition than ever thatnks to the Winds on that day and he can be traded to the people that need the weapons more that the other country that dosnt have the weapons they need but other typs of them that way it will go in a perfect good fation.Then enstead of fighting the getting shot and the safeer the people are the more and more healther thy get to the point they are ready to run the oerations.But the release of the other kind has to done and the threat level has to be taken away and then everyone will be perfectaly happy right and who ever started this colum seems like they are truley a old leader of trade in places that were popular and maybe the lies af the terror of the way people fight and the the real war is between US they find out that people are realy safe including NASA!

[Dabug]

Originally Posted by Voyager13b

I wish for the day when Russia and the US develop economic volume at that level [Chinese-US level --ed.], and when a trip between Moscow and New York is as easy to plan for as a trip between Hong Kong and New York.

I don't think any of this will happen so long as `old school' Soviets are in control of Russia.

[Atolla]

HAHA . I'am cracking up of all the discussions on "who has the best equipment". boys boys boys It's no one and everyone. In the end , it all comes to HC to make right tactical desicions. If you are sitting in a big ass tank without proper infantry support, i can disable you with a couple of molotovs and a steel bar. Not to mention that biggest military powers of the world have nukes wich they will use if they are feeling cornered. So all your tanks , planes, guns and human kind will go straight to hell.

[omygod]

Ironically, expanding Russian-Iranian energy cooperation coincides with the first US deployments of its missile defense system in Central Europe, on the pretext of countering an Iranian threat.

At a press conference in Moscow on February 1, Putin brusquely dismissed the US reasoning on the tests. He said, "Our military experts do not think that the missile defense systems the United States wants to deploy in Eastern Europe are aimed at countering threats from, say, Iran ... The trajectories of missiles fired from Iranian territory are already well known. And they do not have ballistic missiles either. They have medium-range missiles ... We think therefore that these [US] arguments do not carry much weight. This does directly concern us, of course, and it will lead to an appropriate response. As I already said, our response will be asymmetrical, but it will be highly effective."

The specter of a nuclear arms race being forced on Russia haunts the Kremlin. Russia-Iran cooperation seems to gather pace almost in direct proportion to the deterioration of Russian-US relations. Moscow's post-haste delivery of Tor-M1 air-defense systems to Iran in December was extraordinary.

Former Russian prime minister Yevgeni Primakov last week summed up the calculus: "Russia is on the way to becoming one of the pillars, if you like, one of the centers, of the multipolar world and one should reckon with Russia ... The Americans will have to retreat, they are at a dead end, and they don't know how to back out of it. They understand it and they are now turning to the United Nations ... Our task is, together with Europe, together with China, together with India, to make sure that a world order that emerges is based on stability."

Primakov added, "You see, we want the American hegemonistic aggressiveness to be blunted. Objectively, things will be moving in this direction because giants such as China and India are rising. By the way, the combined GDP [gross domestic product] of China and India is exceeding that of the United States and they are growing 2.5 times faster than the United States."

[omygod]

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday blamed U.S. policy for inciting other countries to seek nuclear weapons to defend themselves from an "almost uncontained use of military force" -- a stinging attack that underscored growing tensions between Washington and Moscow.

"Unilateral, illegitimate actions have not solved a single problem, they have become a hotbed of further conflicts," Putin said at a security forum attracting senior officials from around the world. "One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way."

In what the Russian leader's spokesman acknowledged was his harshest criticism of the United States, Putin attacked Bush's administration for stoking a new arms race by planning to deploy a missile defense system in eastern Europe and for backing a U.N. plan that would grant virtual independence to Serbia's breakaway province of Kosovo.

Putin said it was "the almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations" that was forcing countries opposed to Washington to seek to build up nuclear arsenals. "It is a world of one master, one sovereign ... it has nothing to do with democracy," he said. "This is nourishing the wish of countries to get nuclear weapons."

"This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," Putin told the gathering.

Putin did not mention the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, but he voiced concern about NATO's expansion plans as possible challenges to Russia.

"The process of NATO expansion has nothing to do with modernization of the alliance or with ensuring security in Europe," Putin said. "On the contrary, it is a serious factor provoking reduction of mutual trust."

On the missile defense system, Putin said: "I don't want to accuse anyone of being aggressive" but suggested it would seriously change the balance of power and could provoke an unspecified "asymmetric" response.

The Bush administration said it was "surprised and disappointed" by Putin's remarks. "His accusations are wrong," said Gordon Johndroe, Bush's national security spokesman.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who was also attending the conference, described Putin's remarks as "the most aggressive speech from a Russian leader since the end of the Cold War."

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates had little to say about the accusations, remarking only that Putin "was very candid."

[omygod]

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia accused the United States on Saturday of provoking a new nuclear arms race by developing ballistic missile defenses, undermining international institutions and making the Middle East more unstable through its clumsy handling of the Iraq war.

In an address to an international security conference, Mr. Putin dropped all diplomatic gloss to recite a long list of complaints about American domination of global affairs, including many of the themes that have strained relations between the Kremlin and the United States during his seven-year administration.

Among them were the expansion of NATO into the Baltics and the perception in Russia that the West has supported groups that have toppled other governments in Moscow’s former sphere of influence.

“The process of NATO expansion has nothing to do with modernization of the alliance,” Mr. Putin said. “We have the right to ask, ‘Against whom is this expansion directed?’ ”

He said the United States had turned the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which sends monitors to elections in the former Soviet sphere, “into a vulgar instrument of ensuring the foreign policy interests of one country.”

“Primarily the United States has overstepped its national borders, and in every area,” said Mr. Putin,“It has nothing in common with democracy, of course, he added. ”Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations — military force.”

With the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, the American defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, and American Congressional delegation sitting stone-faced, Mr. Putin warned that the power amassed by any nation that assumes this ultimate global role “destroys it from within.

American military actions, which Putin termed “unilateral” and “illegitimate,” also “have not been able to resolve any matters at all,” and, he said, have created only more instability and danger.

“They [United States] bring us to the abyss of one conflict after another,” Putin said. “Political solutions are becoming impossible.”

Mr. Putin joked that he worried the United States was “hiding extra warheads under the pillow” despite its treaties with Moscow to reduce strategic nuclear stockpiles. And he indicated obliquely that the new Russian ballistic missile, known as the Topol-M, was being developed at least in part in response to American efforts to field missile defenses.

He expressed alarm that an effective antimissile shield over the United States would upset a system of mutual fear that kept the nuclear peace throughout the cold war. “That means the balance will be upset, completely upset,” he said.