us and russia

[WPOCC]

most dig fights can only b fought at mach .5 i noe im a pilot. btw are you really in the marines if so wut unit?

[ahem]

USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR, I answered your first post because I was bored and had 7 minutes to spare, but it seems I have to go on answering. You are around 13 years old aren't you?

The shot down F-117 flew bombing missions in Yugoslavia.

It is not a fact that USA sent man to the moon.

NASA never had any space stations, it tried to biuld one, "Skylab", but it fell down.

Russia landed several probes on Venus, though they stopped functioning just over one hour primarilly because of the pressure, and no they did not melt, they are still on the surface of Venus.

Do you really believe that M16A2 is the best assault rifle there is?

B-2 is not 10 years younger than F-117, and F-117 is more stealthier than B-2, it is probably more stealthier than F-22.

M-29, is a very stupid concept, and I doubt that somebody would be gullable enough to accept that monstrocity into service. MP-7 is a submachine gun and is German.


F-16 flying at mach 2.5? What does it suppose to mean, and F-16 can reach the top speed of mach 2.1 only at high altitude. American planes as military assets are not bad considering the interrelations with the rest of the US armed forces, but as aircraft they don't come even close to Russian planes.

The first squadron of F-22s is supposed to become active in 2005.

[USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR]

yo it was notflying bomb missions in yugi. the M4A1 is definatly the best assualty rifle. the Mp-7 or 9 i forgot is going to be used by airforce pilots soon. yea there are space stations look it up. how do u think we get puictures around the clock of hurricanes. the us has the most satilites and stuff and a load more advance then urs. We have a much bettr tank then you and dont f'ing deny it we do! even if we dont have space stations the military probably does just not availible to the public. ur the idiots who sold us Alaska. it'd be nice if some americans cause send replys beside of jerking off.

[Yakov_Leskov]

The M4A1 is not the best rifle in the world. The An-94 is much more effective.

Russia is going to be the first country to put a working space station on mars.

Russia's answer to the F-22 and JSF is the PAKFA

The F-16 is can not reach mach 2.5. I know the MiG-25 can, but i'm not sure about the MiG-31, wich is around that speed.

[Yakov_Leskov]

To Ahem,

maybe we should just him.

Regards

Yakov

[Greg_P]

The F-117 stealthier than the F-22? I don't think so. Go back to Physics 101.

So, what's better than the F-22?

Tell me, and make it a plane that is currently flying in service or in development for deployment TO service. I don't want to hear about the MiG 1.42/44. It is a prototype with many things that will compromise stealth and speed. The cockpit closure doesn't even have the required sawtooth closure for the skin. It is not in current buildup for deployment like the F-22 is and it has not had any public acknowledgement of any weapons firings or other new development. It looks like it did 10 years ago.

The B-2 can be shot down by any armed aircraft fast enough to catch it. All you have to do is find it. At night and in bad weather. Good luck. To date, no one has done so.

The MiG-29 is a good aircaft for its generation. So are the Su-27/30/35 aircraft. They are in the F-15 generation --- great planes but no attention to stealth.

There is a place and a market for them. At this time, the Su-35 /37 is probably a better-performaing airframe than the F-15 is ... as far as airshow tricks go.

What is their combat record? The F-15, which cannot hope to defeat an F-22, has a 122 to-0 combat record, mostly against older Soviet-Russian types. Some say it is 122-to-1 or 2. Either way, it has surpassed any other production fighter aircraft in combat record by a large amount. The next best figher goes back to WWII at 19-to-1. That would be the Grumman F6F Hellcat.

Talk to me about the MiGs when they have a combat record to defend against a modern US aircraft. Don't tell me about victories over A-4's (1950's planes) or F-4's (1950-1960's planes). And I won't tell YOU about victories against MiG-15's, 17's, 19's, 21's, 23's or 27's. Or Su-17/22's either. The F-15 is SUPPOSED to beat them, so they're not much of a reason to brag. However, feel free to tell me about all the F-15's that any Soviet or Russian fighter shot down for any reason anywhere.

I believe in my heart that the newer MiG's and Sukhoi's are VERY good planes. So is the F-22. So will be the F-35.

When these aircraft have faced off against each other, then we can talk about it. Until then, published figures from either side are suspect. The U.S.A. will NOT tell either the US citizens or the rst of the world what the real performance is. The Russians won't tell the Russian citizens or the rest of the world what the real performance of the SuperFlanker, Su-37, or the MiG 1.42.44 is either. So ... we're talking in circles since there IS no objective evidence.

Personally, I hope we keep guessing and keep basing these discussion about airshows because I want Russia as an ally. Together we can become more than the sum of our two parts. And we BOTH make great aircraft. I think ours are better and you think your s are better.

Heck, that's the way it SHOULD be. If not, we need to design a NEW plane to counter yours. It is not needed at this time.

Maybe at some time in the future we can buy and fly the same aircraft since we will be allies. Then we can talk about who has the better paint job and the best tires on our front line fighters.

[ahem]

Originally posted by USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR
yo it was notflying bomb missions in yugi.

Ha, ha, ha, what was it doing there then? Making a flight of friendship?

Originally posted by USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR

the M4A1 is definatly the best assualty rifle. the Mp-7 or 9 i forgot is going to be used by airforce pilots soon.

M4A1 is simply a shortened version of M16A2, which was a flawed design from the beginning. M4A1's range, accurracy, muzzle velocity is much less than those of M16A2. Because it is so short, the gas chamber was shortened, the rifle works harder, gets hot and jams quicker, it also does not last as lomg as M16A2 for the same reason. If you fire a full magazine on automatic fire from an M4A1 it would probably jam, and that would be a nuisance in battle. That's why US is buying German weapons. Currently Russia is the only country in the world that can produce all the military harware it needs.

Originally posted by USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR

yea there are space stations look it up. how do u think we get puictures around the clock of hurricanes. the us has the most satilites and stuff and a load more advance then urs.

No US does not have any space stations, never did. Maybe your "stuff" is better than ours, but certainly not satelites.

Originally posted by USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR

We have a much bettr tank then you and dont f'ing deny it we do! even if we dont have space stations the military probably does just not availible to the public.

Do you mean that ugly, heavy, slow, unmonouverable piece of solid armour that goes by the name of M1A2? Maybe in Hollywood movies it is.

Yes the Moon is not the Moon at all, it's a "Death Star" that belongs to the USAF.

Originally posted by USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR

ur the idiots who sold us Alaska. it'd be nice if some americans cause send replys beside of jerking off.

No, we did not sell you Alaska. After our Navy took part in your civil war, on behalf of the Yankies, it was decided, as an act of friendship, to lease you Alaska for one century, to help you overcome your economic dificulties. Currently USA occupies Russian territory illegaly. Who knew then that Americans are such ungratefull pigs? But don't worry, we will take it back.



P.S. To Yakov_Leskov: MiG-25 reaches speeds of mach 3.5, MiG-31 reaches at least mach 3.1.

[Edited by ahem on 22nd September 2003 at 14:36]