us and russia

[HATALbR]

Whoa!

Who cares about the moon?

How are american men going to assure that their daughters aren't homeless bag-ladies by the time they're thirty?

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by ahem

And what exactly is that national ego? "Fact based fiction", you are a hypocrite, Voyager13b.

Phlegm,

I clipped most of your post to save space. I'm sure you can remember what you wrote, of refer back to it.

Very nice reply. Too bad it's mostly the same fact based fiction that I wrote about in my prior post. Your venom and distorted view validate my opinion.

Lets see.... I have a great deal of experience with military small arms. I have tested, compared, repaired, tuned, used, and modified many types over the years. There are others that I have not laid my own hands on, such as the AN-94, but I am very familiar with it, and can draw conclusions based upon that knowledge.


In the case of the AN-94, it caught my attention a while back, and I took the time to research the weapon. If you look, there is quite a bit of raw factual data available about the AN-94. There are also first hand accounts of it's performance, both in general, and compared to other modern weapons that have been written by reliable gun gurus. The mechanism of it's action, with it's many benefits, and several negative points is also well documented. If you care to take the time, detailed drawings with very good descriptions of the firing sequence are also available to bump your understanding of the weapon beyond your typical "it's Russian, therefore it is the best" attitude.

Also, one of my Muscovite friends that I visit from time to time has first hand experience with the AN-94, as well as first hand experience with western assault rifles (gained during business visits to Atlanta, and shooting sessions where I lived at the time). He is a good observer, and doesn't cloak the truth with the national flag. Our discussions on the subject played a role in my conclusion.

By the way, you accused me of not being qualified to rate the AN-94 because I never touched one, yet you seem to be perfectly happy spouting your opinion of various aircraft from around the world even though it is very unlikely that you have field stripped or flown many or any of them.

You also called me a hypocrite. By definition, your comment to me, combined with the way you form your own opinions, makes you the hypocrite. Maybe it's just a new word for you, and you didn't understand it. Maybe you just liked the way it sounds. Look it up and learn.

I call you "phlegm" because that is pretty much what you write here. No brilliance intended. I suppose I should I should allow a degree of civility when I address you. Maybe I'll do that in the future.

You should really check out Oliver Stone, as you guys have a lot in common. I think you would enjoy his films. It's funny that you say that "most" employees of Rosaviakosmos and the European space agencies think the moon landings were staged. Did you take a poll? Did someone else take a poll? Or did you just hear a rumor that supports your idiotic position, and assume the rest?

That's funny, because segments of Radio Moscow, and later Voice of Russia have dealt with the subject, and interviewed people (other than the janitor) from the Russian space agency and security agencies over the years (comment was made as recently as 2 Months ago), and they laugh at the thought that the US could have pulled off a deception.

You know as well as I do that there were plenty of eyes and ears from the SU snooping in and around NASA. Also, in the American tradition, it was all done in the open, and Soviet systems tracked the flights, intercepted radio transmissions (it's not rocket science to determine the source location of such signals, and a relay from earth to a dumb transmitter on the moon would be given away by excess signal delay), and in short order, shut down their own moon landing program. That was done despite spending billions on heavy lift equipment and Cosmonaut preparation. There is no way on God's green earth that the SU would have shifted gears so fast if they were not totally convinced that the US really got there first. Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy?

There is no debate about the moon landings outside the realm of Oliver and his Stoners......


Skylab fell out of the sky because it was a piece of sh!t that served it's limited purpose, and just plain wasn't worth saving. MIR was also a piece of sh!t by current standards, but wonderful Russian tenacity kept it alive for years of modification and development of space understanding (and political value). When you spoke so highly of the life of MIR, you forgot to mention that most people in Russia wanted to keep it in orbit as a working tribute to pioneering Russian space technology. The real reason it fell out of the sky is that Russia couldn't afford to do anything about it, and no other country would spare the cash to save it. Once again, you take a little grain of factual information, and report it to fit your world view.


Your revelation about the Cold War....

You quote some aggressive line by an American; "The Cold War, you mean the time when USA claimed openly that it will blast us into oblivion?", and now history is re written, and the Soviet Union becomes a benevolent spirit to humanuty that was threatened by the evil USA. I don't suppose that you recall any aggressive remarks or actions made by Soviet politicians, do you? I didn't think so...



On the ISS...

More Oliver Stone, with a touch of Timothy Leary. I think you should stop reading the Russian versions of American tabloid "news" rags, and study the reality of the ISS with both eyes open. The nationalist poison flowing through your veins may allow you to think that the ISS is an "all Russian" affair that the poor Americans were allowed to hitch a ride on for a wad of cash, but that distorted view insults the hard (and cooperative) work of hundreds of engineers from several countries that really made it happen. Here is one place you migh visit to start your journey.
http://www.shuttlepresskit.com/ISS_OVR/

It's just a start, but it does point out that the ISS is not quite an old Soviet blueprint that was dusted off and built in a Russian factory with American Greenbacks.


Aircraft....

Since when is a CPU a negative feature on a modern fighter? The lengths you will go to shield yourself from reality amaze me. Russian aircraft are quickly becoming computerized. The main reason that they were not so designed in the past is that the SU didn't have the capability to design and manufacture LSI wafers in house. They were also excluded from many markets that did have the technology. Now that it is coming available, well, see above.

Igor Sikorskiy escaped the splendor of communism, and became an American. Obviously, he admired American aircraft design, since he was an American, raised an American family, and built an outstanding American enterprise. What the hell were you talking about?

Tupolev also admired American designs. His boss did too. Didn't scumbag Stalin demand that Tupolev copy an American bomber for the Soviet military (TU-4)? How many Soviet designers were sent to prison on trumped up charges by uncle Joe? How many worked while in prison?

How many American designers suffered a similar fate? What's that? None? You are correct. Russian designers have always been great at what they do. Too bad that Stalin made the ones that survived him start over with very little to work with.

Recently, I have watched more than a few interviews where Soviet designers who worked for Tupolev, Antonov, and Mig during various points in history have expressed both pride in their ability, and admiration for American product. Your sour grapes attitude seems to be in the minority among people who know.

By the way, the TU-160 is the only real strategic bomber that Russia currently has in it's fleet. The others are good aircraft, but they are not in the same class as the 160. It took many years for the SU to reach that goal. Many more years than it took the capitalists do get there.

Your remark about current Russian fighters having no equal is more of the same BS that you love to spout. Given that the state of the art is in constant flux, and that there are many areas of performance to compare, it is reasonable to state that Russian fighters are among the best in the world, but to go beyond that is just blind patriotism in action.

Which pretty much describes the way you think.

No matter how badly the idea burns in your gut, both Russia and the US have a great deal of talent, and much in common. The two countries are well on the road to becoming economic and scientific partners.

Once again, get over it.

Voyager

[Voyager13b]

Damn, that was way too long.....

Sorry everyone.

Voyager

[Balamut]

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Ahem is so full of shyit it overflows at the seams. Stop getting your news from bathroom walls.

Hmm. But how about comrade Sniper? Is he full of sh1t or what? No one want to put to shame this kid? Anyone? I see, you don't care just because he is YOUR compatriot. Like he's right - he's an american.

[Voyager13b]

Originally posted by Balamut
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Hmm. But how about comrade Sniper? Is he full of sh1t or what? No one want to put to shame this kid? Anyone? I see, you don't care just because he is YOUR compatriot. Like he's right - he's an american.

Balamut,

Ahem set off my bull sh!t detector by spouting nonsense that was beyond the realm of mere opinion. Russian or American really had nothing to do with it. When Yakov took Sniper to task about his opinion on assault rifles, I agreed with Yakov (we almost never agree on anything, but that has to do with ideology, not nationality).

Voyager

[Balamut]

And sniper didn't? Where is justice? Why everyone jumped on Ahem? After all, USMC_ReCoNSnIpeR
started the whole thing : We rule, everyone suck.

[CitizenOfWorld]

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